Obama smallest Government spender since Eisenhower

[Darwin333]

I think the article meant to discuss Expansion. Not just $ outlay. Fact is, Obama hasn't increased Spending much at all.

If we use "facts" the way this thread is that is in fact incorrect.

President Obama signed 9 out of 12 appropriation bills for FY2009. That was intentional too, the Dems waited for Obama to pass the appropriation bills (not that I blame them, rather good idea from their point of view). So per the reasoning in this thread that should be attributed to Obama. Also included in FY 2009 that IS attributable to Bush is Tarp spending which is not recurring.

If Obama had copied the FY2008 budget and we had the same revenue as in FY2008 yall would be claiming that he has reduced spending by the most because we wouldn't be funding Tarp, that is absurdly dishonest and frankly an embarrassing argument to make imo.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Obama is the smallest Government spender since Eisenhower? Really?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If we use "facts" the way this thread is that is in fact incorrect.

President Obama signed 9 out of 12 appropriation bills for FY2009. That was intentional too, the Dems waited for Obama to pass the appropriation bills (not that I blame them, rather good idea from their point of view). So per the reasoning in this thread that should be attributed to Obama. Also included in FY 2009 that IS attributable to Bush is Tarp spending which is not recurring.

If Obama had copied the FY2008 budget and we had the same revenue as in FY2008 yall would be claiming that he has reduced spending by the most because we wouldn't be funding Tarp, that is absurdly dishonest and frankly an embarrassing argument to make imo.

Wasn't all Bush's TARP spending paid back during Obama's 1st term?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why should government spend money when it can make you do it? How's those cigarettes taste Dave?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Here's another chart that shows a disturbing trend that's accelerating under Obama. I'm not say this is his fault or Bush's for that matter. However, Obama doesn't appear to be too concerned.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Here's another chart that shows a disturbing trend that's accelerating under Obama. I'm not say this is his fault or Bush's for that matter. However, Obama doesn't appear to be too concerned.

What we need is a new metric for measuring the cost of government. We need not only to account for what government spends, but what it causes others to spend as well.

 

[Genx87]

Obama is the smallest Government spender since Eisenhower? Really?

This whole thread is a mental hoop for liberals to try and paint the disasterous spending policies of Obama in the best light. I dont doubt for a second he hasnt increased spending as a % as much as his predecessors. But so what? He hasnt taken any steps to reduce spending either. In fact a reduction in an increase in spending has him whining like a little girl about the end of days. And he has piled up debt faster than any president in history by far. Outpacing Bush nearly 2:1. That is your bar of excellence right there. Beating Bush's drunken deficit spending habits.

As well all of the spending that has happended under his watch he owns. This propaganda about current spending being the result of previous admins is ridiculous. Nothing is stopping the current president from stopping that spending. He signs each spending bill that comes out of congress. He owns it. It is his spending. According to this form of passing blame. In 2030 when SS is running 1 trillion dollar deficits FDR should get the blame 100 years after he passed it. Most would agree that is simply absurd!

 

[Incorruptible]

Lol. Calling Obama a "man" would be a compliment...

obama is not a man but just a stupid little boy who has no sense of reality. He refuses to fix this country but prefers to make it worse.

What very little respect I might have had for him has been lost now I have zero respect for this POS and I wouldn't respect him

 

[Matt1970]

Indeed, and it presents a much more honest representation of where our debt came from:

Matt either doesn't understand the difference, or was being willfully dishonest. Certainly the Obama-era deficits are high and continue to dig us deeper into debt, but it's pure partisan hackery to pretend our current federal debt is mostly his creation. Reagan and Bush-43 were also big spenders. There's plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle.

LOL, you are all hacks. The chart is more accurate than the OP and yet you attack me.

 

[Matt1970]

Sometimes damage done by one person is permanent and irreversible.

The downfall of the U.S. lies squarely on Bush and the Republicans heads.

That has been proven wrong time and time again yet you are still beating that same drum.

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL, you are all hacks. The chart is more accurate than the OP and yet you attack me.

They measure two different things. The OP accurately shows how little spending has increased during the Obama administration, though I agree he started with a high baseline. The chart that you ignored shows where our total current debt came from, based on the administrations in power. The chart you chose to include instead was purely dishonest hackery.

 

[OutHouse]

So in other words, no, you can't support what you claim. Just better to say it and believe it's true huh? And i love the throw in of "Obamaphones". Like he created the program.

You are actuslly defending uncontrolled spending to the sum of almost 7 trillion and asking for more spending??? Wtf is wrong with you.

 

[mosco]

What a fail by Matt huh?

Cliff Notes:
1) Matt posts posts chart
2) Someone points out that method used by chart was described by site as:

... [method] is simply an irrelevant measure that no fair minded, mathematically literate person would use.

3) Matt calls them a hack.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You are actuslly defending uncontrolled spending to the sum of almost 7 trillion and asking for more spending??? Wtf is wrong with you.

How the hell to you get that from what I said? What I would like is for people to actually discuss things honestly. Refusing to acknowledge Bush's policies and their impact on the increasing national debt is bullshit.

It's easy to try to pretend Bush didn't exist, it's bullshit to say that Obama is completely responsible for the growth of the debt since the day he took he took office.

Discuss it honestly or don't discuss it at all.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

How the hell to you get that from what I said? What I would like is for people to actually discuss things honestly. Refusing to acknowledge Bush's policies and their impact on the increasing national debt is bullshit.

It's easy to try to pretend Bush didn't exist, it's bullshit to say that Obama is completely responsible for the growth of the debt since the day he took he took office.

Discuss it honestly or don't discuss it at all.

I don't think anybody is pretending that Bush didn't exist. However, the reality is that Bush is gone and Obama is now directly responsible for the actions his adminstration takes in addressing our fiscal problems.

We can talk about the "dishonesty" of using 2009 as a baseline to compare Obama's spending to Bush's if you like. But at the end of the day nothing is solved. Obama (love him or hate him) has been in the driver's seat a long time....blaming Bush is not leadership...it's just a lame excuse used to rationalize failure.

 

[Matt1970]

What a fail by Matt huh?

Cliff Notes:
1) Matt posts posts chart
2) Someone points out that method used by chart was described by site as:



3) Matt calls them a hack.

Is it? My chart is a bit misleading. OP is a blatent lie.

Who's the hack?

 

[Matt1970]

Well you guys can spin this and compare this stat against that but the fact remains when Bush left office the debt was just over $10 Trillion. He hasn't signed anything since and the debt is now $16.6 Trillion.

 

[Thebobo]

obama is not a man but just a stupid little boy who has no sense of reality. He refuses to fix this country but prefers to make it worse.

What very little respect I might have had for him has been lost now I have zero respect for this POS and I wouldn't respect him

Are you a republican congressman?

 

[Incorruptible]

Are you a republican congressman?

No, Why do you ask? I am against the democrats and republicans and I am also a critic of obama

 

[sunzt]

Is it? My chart is a bit misleading. OP is a blatent lie.

Who's the hack?

Are you asking who's the better hack or who's the better liar?

And btw, trying to intentionally misconstrue FY and CY to paint a narrative is pretty douchy

 

[Matt1970]

Are you asking who's the better hack or who's the better liar?

And btw, trying to intentionally misconstrue FY and CY to paint a narrative is pretty douchy

But the OP blatent lie gets a free pass by you? Ok.

 

[sunzt]

But the OP blatent lie gets a free pass by you? Ok.

I said that? Wow..... I didn't even know that.


Apparently you missed the first line.

 

[Matt1970]

I said that? Wow..... I didn't even know that.


Apparently you missed the first line.

Apparently you missed the post. And BTW, he is better at both.

 

[sunzt]

Apparently you missed the post. And BTW, he is better at both.

Doesn't make you any more credible, though

 

[Matt1970]

Doesn't make you any more credible, though

And you are credible for having blinders on in regards to the OP and deciding to criticize me?LOL, ok.......