Obama slams insurers, demands health care reform

[ericlp]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/health.care/?hpt=T1

Well, as you know and maybe you didn't ... I am all for HCreform.

I hope it passes... And not wishing they don't have enough votes like some on this board. Even if it does pass, I have pretty good health insurance as of today. But, if for some reason I get banned or ousted out of my plan I'd sure hope there is a backup one I could EASILY get. Even if this helps half the uninsured get insurance and doesn't help me it's a start.

 

[ElFenix]

too bad this is just medical insurance reform and coverage extension, at best

 

[spidey07]

LOL! He looks like Chavez in that picture. The pointy fingered dictator telling the people "I don't care what you think, private industry is bad and I'm going to kill it regardless of the economy and the impact".

 

[Modelworks]

Will solve nothing. It is like giving a person a higher credit limit to fix their inability to pay what they owe now. Attacking the symptom and not the cause will not fix things.

 

[theamericans075]

haha what the hell, "Insurers suck! Now pass this trillion dollar direct cash payment to insurance companies!"

 

[ElFenix]

haha what the hell, "Insurers suck! Now pass this trillion dollar direct cash payment to insurance companies!"

true.

'yes mr. president, you want to pass a law that will require people to buy our product or you'll fine them? mmmhmm... what about people who just can't afford it? oh, you're going to pay for them? that's fantastic. yeah, that sounds great, see you then.'

 

[HannibalX]

haha what the hell, "Insurers suck! Now pass this trillion dollar direct cash payment to insurance companies!"

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are why it's corporate America. You do nothing about it but bitch.

 

[cubby1223]

There he goes promising free health care...

I'm still not sure how additional taxes imposed by the government... equals the largest middle-class tax cut in history?

 

[Patranus]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/health.care/?hpt=T1

Well, as you know and maybe you didn't ... I am all for HCreform.

I hope it passes... And not wishing they don't have enough votes like some on this board. Even if it does pass, I have pretty good health insurance as of today. But, if for some reason I get banned or ousted out of my plan I'd sure hope there is a backup one I could EASILY get. Even if this helps half the uninsured get insurance and doesn't help me it's a start.

Ironic that his plan will force everyone in America to buy a product offered by insurance companies.

Does Obama have any credibility left?

 

[Slick5150]

Ironic that his plan will force everyone in America to buy a product offered by insurance companies.

Does Obama have any credibility left?

Pot.. Kettle..

 

[MotF Bane]

haha what the hell, "Insurers suck! Now pass this trillion dollar direct cash payment to insurance companies!"

This.

 

[her209]

Will solve nothing. It is like giving a person a higher credit limit to fix their inability to pay what they owe now. Attacking the symptom and not the cause will not fix things.

The cause of the problem is the patients... specifically the old people.

:biggrin:

 

[nonlnear]

And here I thought the time for talking about health care was over. Can't the man shut up already?

If the time for reform is now then let's have a vote today. What's the problem Nancy?

 

[spidey07]

Obama Admin:
"Health care reform is about controlling costs!"
-err, the people sniffed that one out, how about this?
"Reform is about providing healthcare to 30 million high risk people and that is will what lower costs!"
-oh shit, they know that's impossible math, they're onto us
"Reform is about insurance CEOS"
-ahh crap, they're not buying that one either
"I'm going to fight those evil insurance companies for you America! That's what this reform is all about now let's get them!"
-umm, what next?
"Tell you what! Reform will create 500,000 jobs! That's what you care about, right?"

FAIL

 

[crownjules]

The cause of the problem is the patients... specifically the old people.

:biggrin:

Also the roughly 33% of the American population that are fatties.

But don't get me wrong. I support healthcare reform because I feel it, like education, should be provided by the government at a base level. I don't support this version they're trying to pass. But it's not hard to see in my everyday observations why American healthcare costs have risen so high when so many of us live unhealthy lives.

 

[Danube]

"Obama slams insurers, demands health care reform"

Headline should be:

"Marxist condemns capitalist enterrpise, demands private sector curtailed"


"The president said the "status quo (freedom) on health care is simply unsustainable (undesirable). We cannot have a system that works better for the insurance companies (private companies) than it does for the American people (government)."..

"The plan is expected to extend insurance coverage to 30 million-plus Americans (and soon millions of illegals as demanded by Obama's racist buddies at La Raza who work in administration)."

"We need health insurance reform right now," the president said at a campaign-style rally outside Cleveland. And "this is like a patients' bill of rights on steroids (like a communists wet dream..Rev Wright said Obama was like a son and he must be a proud daddy)."

"In the end, the president said, "this debate is about far more than politics. ... It comes down to what kind of country we want to be (and Obama wants a thugocracy with poetic veneer of pseudo-socialism.)"


"Democrats have pointed out that reconciliation was used to pass several major bills in recent years, including President George W. Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts (it's never been used to pass legislation - especially of this size and unpopularity- thug life yo")".

"Partly to help sweeten the deal for House liberals, multiple Democratic sources have said a large student loan reform measure probably will be rolled into the health care reconciliation package (too bad they couldn't squeeze in amnesty for illegals and sex ed for kiddies - really tickle the base)".

"The measure, which is a priority for Obama, would end the practice of having private (not socialist) banks offer student loans while expanding direct lending from the government (which is broke like Slim Shady likes it. Hey what's another hand-out paid for by others for a guy that let his relatives live in squalor?)"

It might actually be good this POS passes since many people think it's "free" (haha). Wait until they are paying for it but not getting anything for years - and while economy is still broken but slim is railroading amnesty next.

 

[blackangst1]

The cause of the problem is the patients... specifically the old people.

:biggrin:

The death panels will take care of that

 

[cubby1223]

Then each of these trips he finds someone to bring on stage and present her sad story of medical expenses.

Right, because the expense of flying Air Force One all over the country to present these stories... would cover their health care costs *many* times over. Hell, pass a damn collection plate at these events.

This bill is not about helping these people, it is about changing the role of government. Always has been, always will be.

 

[cubby1223]

How many "progressives" have dumped millions in donations in support of this legislation?

Websites set up to collect money and distribute to campaigns of "progressives".

Instead build a website to collect that money and distribute it *directly* to those who need the assistance. Instead, they take all their monies and give it to the government, in hopes that they will hand something out to the needy.

Moveon.org has raised over $1 million in two days to give to challenger Bill Halter to defeat Senator Blanche Lincoln. Is their goal *really* to help people, or to change the role of government? Spread out that $million to these poor souls whom the Democrats parade around in the name of reform.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
..if for some reason I get banned or ousted out of my plan I'd sure hope there is a backup one I could EASILY get.

What makes you think that will be the case?

And what makes you think those currently uninsured because of pre-existing conditions will now get coverage?

I hear from the Dems politicians that oppose this bill a big problem is that while HI companies must offer them coverage, there is no restriction on the price at which it will be offered. If so, while 'theoretically' they can buy it, as a practical matter they won't be able to because of the cost.

And yeah, I see the irony of bashing HI companies when all that is really being done is forcing us all to buy their product.

Fern

 

[JSt0rm]

How many "progressives" have dumped millions in donations in support of this legislation?

Websites set up to collect money and distribute to campaigns of "progressives".

This is why the "progressives" need to be hunted and killed like the liberals and commies before them. Freedom does not mean health care. Health care is for those that are smart enough or born to the right people - no others. Only a truly evolved society would offer health care to its citizenry and we are not that.

 

[Ozoned]

Here is just one example of how our government manages Health Care

To explain, you get them through medicare and sell what you don't need or use. If you tell your doctor that you are on an intensive blood glucose monitoring regimen, he will prescribe up to 8 times more than you might actually use.

ALL of medical supplies for diabetics are like this on Ebay. Lancets, syringes, meters.

You can even get a $5,000 pump through medicare and decide that you don't like it. Take a wild guess where you can sell it.

Health care reform is a vehicle to increase the wealth redistribution already happening now. NOTHING MORE.

 

[JSt0rm]

Here is just one example of how our government manages Health Care

To explain, you get them through medicare and sell what you don't need or use. If you tell your doctor that you are on an intensive blood glucose monitoring regimen, he will prescribe up to 8 times more than you might actually use.

ALL of medical supplies for diabetics are like this on Ebay. Lancets, syringes, meters.

You can even get a $5,000 pump through medicare and decide that you don't like it. Take a wild guess where you can sell it.

Health care reform is a vehicle to increase the wealth redistribution already happening now. NOTHING MORE.

interesting. So if everyone had access to these strips then everyone could sell them on ebay. hmmm... So if everyone had access to the strips who would buy them on ebay? I know! "progressives" would do it :twisted:

 

[Danube]

How many "progressives" have dumped millions in donations in support of this legislation?

Websites set up to collect money and distribute to campaigns of "progressives".

Instead build a website to collect that money and distribute it *directly* to those who need the assistance. Instead, they take all their monies and give it to the government, in hopes that they will hand something out to the needy.

Moveon.org has raised over $1 million in two days to give to challenger Bill Halter to defeat Senator Blanche Lincoln. Is their goal *really* to help people, or to change the role of government? Spread out that $million to these poor souls whom the Democrats parade around in the name of reform.

The political deal going into these bills may be what does them in. Promising Nebraska benefits other states didn't get was correctly fingered as a violation of equal protections clause - a reason Obama and gang wanted to reverse some of them. The pols who were bought off didn't want to lose the deals they got to provide the needed votes (they would get hung out to dry as the fools they are at home) so now Obama is scrambling to have it seem all states can have the same benefits


"In a new take on its policy White House top strategist David Axelrod said President Obama only objects to state-specific arrangements, such as an increase in Medicaid funding for Nebraska, ridiculed as the "cornhusker kickback.

But instead of dropping them, the concept behind those deals could be widened so that all states benefit.

Senate deal gives Medicare coverage to asbestos-sickened residents of Libby, Mont., the only place where that's happened so far. But such a deal could apply to other places where public health emergencies are declared."

See they know they are screwed. Certainly a person would expect more from a constitutional law prof. If this passes there is defo some constitutional crisis looming between all the violations to date and the states passing laws to block this POS. The birth of Obama-care is ectopic.


"Obama Drops Objections to Sweetheart Deals as House Moves to Craft Health Care Fixes"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rt-deals-house-moves-craft-health-care-fixes/