Red Dawn
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you Hildabeasties are funny, almost as funny as the McSamiesOriginally posted by: LOOPY
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Only in you Obamamessiah state of delusion.
you Hildabeasties are funny, almost as funny as the McSamiesOriginally posted by: LOOPY
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Only in you Obamamessiah state of delusion.
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Oh come on. You expect a candidate not to consider his or her electability? Because guys like Ron Paul don't give a sh!t about electability, they are never going to be president. Its the sad truth..but when you're dealing with the general public, one absolutely has to put electability high on the priority list if they want to actually win.
It's true. There is a political game out there and you need to play it so that it works in your favor if you expect to get anything accomplished. Obama is well aware of that. So is McCain.
Yeah, and when he wins, and electability is no longer an issue, is he going to go back to supporting the decriminalization of marijuana? Stand up to those trampling on the 4th amendment? Keep his promise of withdrawing the vast majority of troops in Iraq within 16 months? Keep zero permanent bases in Iraq?
Because if he doesn't, I'm damn sure gonna be here bitching. And likely, listening to you all apologize as well.
Bullshit. I won't apologize for anyone. Should Obama win, and in my eyes do an unsatisfactory job as president, I'll be the first to admit it. I have no interest in defending my vote no matter what. Only fools do that....
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Oh come on. You expect a candidate not to consider his or her electability? Because guys like Ron Paul don't give a sh!t about electability, they are never going to be president. Its the sad truth..but when you're dealing with the general public, one absolutely has to put electability high on the priority list if they want to actually win.
It's true. There is a political game out there and you need to play it so that it works in your favor if you expect to get anything accomplished. Obama is well aware of that. So is McCain.
Yeah, and when he wins, and electability is no longer an issue, is he going to go back to supporting the decriminalization of marijuana? Stand up to those trampling on the 4th amendment? Keep his promise of withdrawing the vast majority of troops in Iraq within 16 months? Keep zero permanent bases in Iraq?
Because if he doesn't, I'm damn sure gonna be here bitching. And likely, listening to you all apologize as well.
Bullshit. I won't apologize for anyone. Should Obama win, and in my eyes do an unsatisfactory job as president, I'll be the first to admit it. I have no interest in defending my vote no matter what. Only fools do that....
The Bushies are just afraid that you'll be like them.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
when obama was representing a left wing district in chicago he said he was against the war
when he was representing illinois as a whole he said he agreed with dub about how the war should be conducted (mid 2004)
when he started running for president during the primaries he said pull out (and fast)
now that he's going toward the general he's more flexible
i don't remember him saying that."But he has said over and over again we have to be as careful getting out as George Bush was careless getting in. So he will redeploy our forces responsibly, at a rate that our commanders say is safe and sustainable."