Obama recess appointments unconstitutional

monovillage

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In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments Mr. Obama made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and the board no longer has a quorum to operate.

But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intrasession” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks.

The judges signaled the power only applies after Congress has adjourned sine die, which is a legislative term of art that signals the end to a long work period. In modern times, it means the president could only use his powers when Congress quits business at the end of a year.

“The dearth of intrasession appointments in the years and decades following the ratification of the Constitution speaks far more impressively than the history of recent presidential exercise of a supposed power to make such appointments,” the judges wrote.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-broke-law-recess-appointments/#ixzz2J0aV0RxJ


I'm glad to see the reins pulled in on one of his most egregious abuses of the Constitution. Hopefully if/when this gets to the SC we'll get the same ruling.
 

thraashman

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What's disgusting is that the GOP has been so obstructive to this nation's well-being that Obama had to attempt this appointment anyway. I really am tired of this seditious GOP minority in the Senate.
 
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What's disgusting is that the GOP has been so obstructive to this nation's well-being that Obama had to attempt this appointment anyway. I really am tired of this seditious GOP minority in the Senate.

obama has NO RIGHT TO ATTACK THE CONSTITUTION, How dare you suggest that he had to attempt this way

He took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and then he pulls crap like this
 

Genx87

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What's disgusting is that the GOP has been so obstructive to this nation's well-being that Obama had to attempt this appointment anyway. I really am tired of this seditious GOP minority in the Senate.

Im an sure you were up in arms when democrats stalled 171 appointments by Bush and he used recess appointments to get them in.

It doesnt make it right. But for some perspective Obama has a fraction of that many recess appointments.
 

chucky2

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And how long were these positions left open while Congress failed to fill them? If this is in the multiple months count, I don't blame Obama a bit. If Congress fails to do its job, someone has to. Don't want Obama appting people? Do your Fing job.
 

ichy

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OP, when George Bush made recess appointments did you whine like a little bitch about them?
 

monovillage

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OP, when George Bush made recess appointments did you whine like a little bitch about them?

No need to post such anti-woman misogynist rhetoric.
Recess appointments have always been legal and covered in the Constitution, what Obama did is blatantly unconstitutional, he knew it and broke the law anyways and now he's getting called on it.
 

Thebobo

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And how long were these positions left open while Congress failed to fill them? If this is in the multiple months count, I don't blame Obama a bit. If Congress fails to do its job, someone has to. Don't want Obama appting people? Do your Fing job.

Exactly. Still no ATF director lol ~ not that I care you can get rid of that agency imo. Should be the FBI worrying about fire arms and tabaco? please.
 

monovillage

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And how long were these positions left open while Congress failed to fill them? If this is in the multiple months count, I don't blame Obama a bit. If Congress fails to do its job, someone has to. Don't want Obama appting people? Do your Fing job.

It's unconstitutional, sorry, but even precious president Obama is supposed to follow the law.

This article from a year ago.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/..._senate-recess-senate-session-richard-cordray

President Obama’s attempt to unilaterally appoint three people to seats on the National Labor Relations Board and Richard Cordray to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (after the Senate blocked action on his nomination) is more than an unconstitutional attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role. It is a breathtaking violation of the separation of powers and the duty of comity that the executive owes to Congress.

Yes, some prior recess appointments have been politically unpopular, and a few have even raised legal questions. But never before has a president purported to make a “recess” appointment when the Senate is demonstrably not in recess. That is a constitutional abuse of a high order.
 

spidey07

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What should be really concerning is the Obama admin argued "well, we get to decide when congress is in session".

It's that highly unconstitutional attitude and actions that should be so concerning. No executive branch should ever think they have any say or control over the legislative, as that would go against everything the constitution attempts to prevent.

The senate has to approve the appointments for a reason, and that is to prevent an out of control executive.
 

thraashman

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Actually they were clearly in recess and had a handful of members gavel in to make it appear they were not. That is exactly as shaky legal ground as the appointment by Obama. Also the number of stalled appointments by dems was fraction of that stalled or blocked by the GOP.
 

spidey07

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Actually they were clearly in recess and had a handful of members gavel in to make it appear they were not. That is exactly as shaky legal ground as the appointment by Obama. Also the number of stalled appointments by dems was fraction of that stalled or blocked by the GOP.

The court unanimously says you're wrong. They were not in recess.
 

chucky2

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It's unconstitutional, sorry, but even precious president Obama is supposed to follow the law.

This article from a year ago.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/..._senate-recess-senate-session-richard-cordray

I'm not saying it isn't. But when the kids haven't done the dishes for the past month, someone needs to do them.

Exactly. Still no ATF director lol ~ not that I care you can get rid of that agency imo. Should be the FBI worrying about fire arms and tabaco? please.

These Gov agencies are so big now, they're pretty much at the point of self sustaining. No one is going to touch them, too big, too powerful...
 

Ausm

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obama has NO RIGHT TO ATTACK THE CONSTITUTION, How dare you suggest that he had to attempt this way

He took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and then he pulls crap like this

Time to double up on your Meds and recalibrate your hypocrisy meter.
 

NoStateofMind

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Aint this a peach! Even though the ruling was inline with the Constitution i cant help but think it was politically motivated (judges were appointed by republicans). Wish these trials were about the law more than partisan politics.
 

PokerGuy

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Actually they were clearly in recess and had a handful of members gavel in to make it appear they were not.

The point of the ruling was that the executive branch doesn't get to decide if they were in recess or not. The senate has rules governing their legislative sessions. Like it or not, they were in session according to the rules of the senate. obummer took it upon himself as the dear leader to decide that no, they were not in session, and thus he could do whatever he wanted. Wrong on all counts, as usual.

This is a good ruling, hopefully the scotus makes the same (correct) call.
 

Wreckem

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This basically declared almost every single recess apointment made in the last 20 years illegal, not just what Obama did.

SCotUS will probably find what Obama did unconstitutional, they WILL NOT make such a broad overreaching/oversweeping ruling.

Next time their is a republican president they can forget about getting nominations through, especially for SCotUS.

People say the Dems did the same to Bush. Yes they delayed and obstructed, but the Republicans have taken it to a whole new level, way beyond what the Democrats did under Bush.
 
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monovillage

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This basically declared almost every single recess apointment by the past 4 presidents illegal, not just what Obama did.

Read the articles, there's a huge difference with what Obama did and what previous presidents have done. If you can't tell the difference you really shouldn't even be posting.
 

spidey07

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This basically declared almost every single recess appointment made in the last 20 years illegal, not just what Obama did.

No. The Senate was NOT IN RECESS, so his appointments weren't recess appointments. A president has never done anything like this as it is highly unconstitutional.
 

NoStateofMind

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The point of the ruling was that the executive branch doesn't get to decide if they were in recess or not. The senate has rules governing their legislative sessions. Like it or not, they were in session according to the rules of the senate. obummer took it upon himself as the dear leader to decide that no, they were not in session, and thus he could do whatever he wanted. Wrong on all counts, as usual.

This is a good ruling, hopefully the scotus makes the same (correct) call.

These.days it seems like presidents do just about anything they want and its up to everyone else to reign them in. Kinda like they test their boundries. Whats bad about it is they have sworn to stay within their yard but instead run amok. How can you swear to uphold the law when you know damned well you wont? Theres serious issues with this type of behavior that should cause everyone concern. Obama wasnt the first and sadly wont be the last.