Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Harvey
I searched before I posted, but the title of the other thread doesn't mention DADT, and only notes it in passing. I think the topic is worth its own thread. It's my thread so I'll leave this open, but you can ask another mod to look at this if you think it's a problem.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Its obvious that it is right at the top of his agenda, along with closing Gitmo, firiing Blackwater, and stoping renditions.
No, it's obviously not for exactly the reasons you imply. The Bushwhackos left him a lot of messes to clean up, and getting stuff done in Washington takes more than mere announcements.
You are correct sir!
So ummm... when does he plan to stop making announcements and actually do something?
I don't think he should do anything until the right has had time to have a good cry and a few temper tantrums and sessions with their shrinks. Bigots need time to adjust. It's not right to just haul them off to their toilets and stick their heads straight in. Give them time to mature a bit and their wrists to heal.
the left has...
control of congress? check
control of the presidency? check
what does the right have to do with this again?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Since Obama appointed a "School Safety Czar" who wrote forward to book called "Queering Elementary Education" it's only logical (in an illogical kind of way) that Obama would seek to homosexualize the military as well and serve the gays in Hollywood like Geffen that got him elected over Hillary.
Since Obama is unilaterally disarming the US, and sees US intelligence agencies as the real enemy...
... I suppose it hardly matters if the military is homosexualized anyway (of course the 70% of service members against it will just have to suffer the folly of it all).
Liberalism - it's the cutting edge of civilization in reverse.
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
He's only been a bigot for a year of his Administration.. I guess that makes it OK.
I mean the guy can win the Nobel Prize in 11 days, but can't find a way to sign a document saying DADT should be repealed?
Originally posted by: bfdd
Don't all the gay guys join the Navy anyways?
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
But sane people look unsane to unsane people - life is back to front.
Try talking cannibals out of cannibalism - it's hard lol.
"Truth is hate to those that hate the truth".
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
This will not go over well with the line units. Gays aren't welcome there. Everyone knows this.
Despite misgivings, gays blend in to British military
By Sarah Lyall
Published: Wednesday, May 16, 2007
LONDON ? The officer, a squadron leader in the Royal Air Force, felt he had no choice. So he stood up in front of his squad of 30 to 40 people.
"I said, 'Right, I've got something to tell you,' " he said. " 'I believe that for us to be able to work closely together and have faith in each other, we have to be honest and open and frank.
" 'And it has to be a two-way process, and it starts with me baring my soul. You may have heard some rumors, and, yes, I have a long-term partner who is a he, not a she.' "
Far from causing problems, he said, he found that coming out to his troops actually increased the unit's strength and cohesion. He had felt uneasy keeping the secret "that their boss was a poof," as he put it, from people he worked with so intensely.
Since it began allowing gays to serve in the armed forces in 2000, none of the British military's fears - about harassment, discord, blackmail, bullying or an erosion of unit cohesion or military effectiveness - has come to pass, according to the Ministry of Defense, current and former members of the services, and academics specializing in the military. The biggest news about the policy, they say, is that there is no news. It has for the most part become a nonissue.
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest?
I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
What does the Nobel Prize have to do with this issue, and why do you take EVERY opportunity to show your abject ignorance? DADT is a law, not an executive order. As such, Obama can act to limit its implimentation and enforcement, but it can be fully repealed only by legislation from Congress. In his speech, he announced that he was working with Congress and the military to achieve that.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Obama making a speech to a gay and lesbian group he will repeal DADT is news? Let us know when he actually does it.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Its obvious that it is right at the top of his agenda, along with closing Gitmo, firiing Blackwater, and stoping renditions.
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: bfdd
Barry... WTF? You realize that the LARGE majority of homosexuals are no different than you or I right? They're just people also, in fact you probably know a few and don't even know about it.
I work in the arts and know lots. I have very good friends that are homosexual. God no doubt loves some more than me. The homosexual political groups on the other had are deadly. They would render the whole society broken to get their ways.
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Since Obama appointed a "School Safety Czar" who wrote forward to book called "Queering Elementary Education" it's only logical (in an illogical kind of way) that Obama would seek to homosexualize the military as well and serve the gays in Hollywood like Geffen that got him elected over Hillary.
Hate much? :roll:
Since Obama is unilaterally disarming the US, and sees US intelligence agencies as the real enemy...
Got proof of either of those dumbass assertions?
... I suppose it hardly matters if the military is homosexualized anyway (of course the 70% of service members against it will just have to suffer the folly of it all).
Got proof that 70% of service members will suffer if DADT is repealed?
Liberalism - it's the cutting edge of civilization in reverse.
And you are a blunt instrument of bigotry, hate and stupidity.
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
He's only been a bigot for a year of his Administration.. I guess that makes it OK.
Got proof that he's a bigot?
I mean the guy can win the Nobel Prize in 11 days, but can't find a way to sign a document saying DADT should be repealed?
What does the Nobel Prize have to do with this issue, and why do you take EVERY opportunity to show your abject ignorance? DADT is a law, not an executive order. As such, Obama can act to limit its implimentation and enforcement, but it can be fully repealed only by legislation from Congress. In his speech, he announced that he was working with Congress and the military to achieve that.
Originally posted by: bfdd
Don't all the gay guys join the Navy anyways?
Hey, sailor. Are you an expert? :laugh:
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
But sane people look unsane to unsane people - life is back to front.
He said, speaking from the latter perspective. :laugh:
Try talking cannibals out of cannibalism - it's hard lol.
So, do you prefer catsup or mustard on your neighbors' kids? :shocked:
"Truth is hate to those that hate the truth".
Says the guy who continually spews hate and bigotry. :thumbsdown:
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
This will not go over well with the line units. Gays aren't welcome there. Everyone knows this.
Which "everyone" would that be?
It hasn't hurt the Israeli military or the British military.
Despite misgivings, gays blend in to British military
By Sarah Lyall
Published: Wednesday, May 16, 2007
LONDON ? The officer, a squadron leader in the Royal Air Force, felt he had no choice. So he stood up in front of his squad of 30 to 40 people.
"I said, 'Right, I've got something to tell you,' " he said. " 'I believe that for us to be able to work closely together and have faith in each other, we have to be honest and open and frank.
" 'And it has to be a two-way process, and it starts with me baring my soul. You may have heard some rumors, and, yes, I have a long-term partner who is a he, not a she.' "
Far from causing problems, he said, he found that coming out to his troops actually increased the unit's strength and cohesion. He had felt uneasy keeping the secret "that their boss was a poof," as he put it, from people he worked with so intensely.
Since it began allowing gays to serve in the armed forces in 2000, none of the British military's fears - about harassment, discord, blackmail, bullying or an erosion of unit cohesion or military effectiveness - has come to pass, according to the Ministry of Defense, current and former members of the services, and academics specializing in the military. The biggest news about the policy, they say, is that there is no news. It has for the most part become a nonissue.
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And beyond your short sighted, narrow minded self, how many of your "everyone" share your little phone booth? :roll:
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest?
Serious answer -- It would be difficult to work around them if they didn't shower.
I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
What does one have to do with the other?
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
No. I guess you think men and women should shower together then right? There's no real basis for separating naked men and women other than the fear of sexual attraction. I don't really care about gays in the military but it seems that if it happens there should be more emphasis on privacy for the individual. Or everyone can go Starshiptroopers as someone else mentioned.
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is only common courtesy to allow the insane a chance to adjust to a coming reality, no?
The "coming reality" (unless people wake up) is social strife and collapse. Things like homosexuality and identity conflicts rise as social deterioration sets in. It's like people smoking for 30 years and getting cancer. Homosexuality, global warming hysteria, self destructive attacks on national defense, hatred of spiritual life etc - all are part of the psychotic conditioning of a society programmed to self destruct. Fortunately at least a third of the problem sees the problem and cant be confuzzled as my UK friends say. Homosexuals have it made - but nooooo they have to turn everything inside out/upside down to conform to their self deceptions. This will backfire sure as I'm typing this.
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
No. I guess you think men and women should shower together then right? There's no real basis for separating naked men and women other than the fear of sexual attraction. I don't really care about gays in the military but it seems that if it happens there should be more emphasis on privacy for the individual. Or everyone can go Starshiptroopers as someone else mentioned.
I can't say I've heard any stories of rampant shower buttrape coming out of the Israeli army.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm sure many gays have served with the highest distinction. I'm sure I have worked or currently work alongside gay people. If I was gay I would still want to be able to serve in the military. I don't see any reason to oppose it other than homosexuality goes against your principles.
Speaking specifically about the Army, it's too structured and organized to allow a gay person to become a problem... his battle buddies would square that shit away quick and then his first line leaders would make sure it doesn't happen again. If there was some sort of issue, it would be like any other conduct problem and dealt with accordingly. But from my perspective, it just doesn't seem like there would be a big deal.
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
No. I guess you think men and women should shower together then right? There's no real basis for separating naked men and women other than the fear of sexual attraction. I don't really care about gays in the military but it seems that if it happens there should be more emphasis on privacy for the individual. Or everyone can go Starshiptroopers as someone else mentioned.
I can't say I've heard any stories of rampant shower buttrape coming out of the Israeli army.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Serious question: will gays shower with the rest? I could see the answer being, "yes" but wouldn't it be considered ridiculous if straight men showered with woman?
Homophobe?
No. I guess you think men and women should shower together then right? There's no real basis for separating naked men and women other than the fear of sexual attraction. I don't really care about gays in the military but it seems that if it happens there should be more emphasis on privacy for the individual. Or everyone can go Starshiptroopers as someone else mentioned.
I can't say I've heard any stories of rampant shower buttrape coming out of the Israeli army.
The issue is not rape. It's about bringing sexuality into an environment. And I don't buy that gay men can refrain from objectifying naked men around them. That's about as unlikely as straight men not making a co-ed shower.
Interestingly, gay Israelis in the military are apparently allowed to shower alone if they want to. Half of gay Israelis in the military have been harassed. (Wikipedia.)
And for those that like jump to conclusions (apparently most in this thread), I'm not opposed to gays in the military.