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Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO drops the US's pants and bends over for his socialist overloards

Now I'm not sure this information is entirely accurate, but assuming it is - is he insane? Russia isn't our friend in the area of military/security. Selling out our own defense or the defense of our friends for Russia's supposed help with a enemy state? Seems like a bad "deal" IMO.
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selling out what exactly?
Or are you just another crybaby Republican that is upset because Obama won the election?

There is noway this so called missle shield was going to work anyways...sheese!!


Washington has told Moscow that Russian help in resolving Iran's nuclear program would make its missile shield plans for Europe unnecessary, a Russian daily said on Monday, citing White House sources.
 
He got a better deal than I would have - I'd be perfectly happy to have given up a European missile shield for free. They'd just complain the whole time as we shelled out billions. Let them take care of their own defense, or let the Russians have 'em for all I care.
 
The Europeans are not our true friends. Why should we create an enemy to protect them? It's useless anyways since it won't protect them from their biggest enemy - themselves. A missile defense shield will not stop another genocide in Europe.

It's already well established that Obama plans on focusing US relations in other regions. You should check out the British press freaking out over Obama's view of the British. The 21st century American foreign relationship will be different than the 20th century.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO drops the US's pants and bends over for his socialist overloards

Now I'm not sure this information is entirely accurate, but assuming it is - is he insane? Russia isn't our friend in the area of military/security. Selling out our own defense or the defense of our friends for Russia's supposed help with a enemy state? Seems like a bad "deal" IMO.
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selling out what exactly?
Or are you just another crybaby Republican that is upset because Obama won the election?

There is noway this so called missle shield was going to work anyways...sheese!!


Washington has told Moscow that Russian help in resolving Iran's nuclear program would make its missile shield plans for Europe unnecessary, a Russian daily said on Monday, citing White House sources.
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:roll: This has nothing to do with the election and is a pretty lame excuse by BHO slobknobbers to divert the topic when someone dares question or disagree with the messiah.

Yeah, because obviously you "know" it wasn't going to work... right...

Yes, I know it's for Europe - thus I stated "friends". ...sheesh...
 
Another Obama win.

Axe a costly missile shield we don't need.

Improve Russian relations.

Get help with Iran.

Thanks for the info CAD.
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
He got a better deal than I would have - I'd be perfectly happy to have given up a European missile shield for free. They'd just complain the whole time as we shelled out billions. Let them take care of their own defense, or let the Russians have 'em for all I care.
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Pretty much. There ahs bbeen much opposition to this Ill concieved "shield" n the first place. It was doing nothing more than creating unnecessary friction between the US and Russia. Any smart leader would scrap it, a genious will Trade it off for some added benefit.

Georgia proves that the US doesn't really want to thwart Russian Power, the Missile Shield was just a Cheap-Ass(relatively speaking) attempt to avoid putting Troops on the Ground. Like so many other Bush actions, it was an utter failure.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The Europeans are not our true friends. Why should we create an enemy to protect them? It's useless anyways since it won't protect them from their biggest enemy - themselves. A missile defense shield will not stop another genocide in Europe.

It's already well established that Obama plans on focusing US relations in other regions. You should check out the British press freaking out over Obama's view of the British. The 21st century American foreign relationship will be different than the 20th century.
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"create an enemy"? puhfugginleeze Russia has been working against us for quite some time - this shield would not "create" an enemy in them.
 
A question, Why would we ally ourselves with the weak countries and then become "enemies" with the more powerful ones?

I would rather have Russia as an Ally rather than France or Belgium.



 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The Europeans are not our true friends. Why should we create an enemy to protect them? It's useless anyways since it won't protect them from their biggest enemy - themselves. A missile defense shield will not stop another genocide in Europe.

It's already well established that Obama plans on focusing US relations in other regions. You should check out the British press freaking out over Obama's view of the British. The 21st century American foreign relationship will be different than the 20th century.
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"create an enemy"? puhfugginleeze Russia has been working against us for quite some time - this shield would not "create" an enemy in them.
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Russia has been working against Europe and against us because we worked for European interests. Is creating an enemy out of Russia really worth it to maintain European energy security?

I say no.
 
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
A question, Why would we ally ourselves with the weak countries and then become "enemies" with the more powerful ones?

I would rather have Russia as an Ally rather than France or Belgium.
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:thumbsup:
 
How swiftly we forget, Kennedy went hperspastic at the idea with the threat of a Cuba with nuclear armed missiles that could first strike hit us in a matter of minutes. Yet we assume that Russia should sit idly by when we create the same loaded gun threat against them by basing missiles in Poland?

What are some of you idiots smoking?

Obama is 100% correct, the cold war is supposed to be at an end, the object is to reduce tensions, not increase them.
 
European missile shield != protect Europe

look up "great circle", its to protect the US

now I don't really care either way, but its funny to see people who know nothing about it talk about protecting Europe
 
+1 for Obama.

Bush restarting the cold war to create a missile shield that cost billions and might never work was not one of his brighter ideas.

Spend the money on increasing VA hospital funding and/or pay for soldiers instead.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
How swiftly we forget, Kennedy went hperspastic at the idea with the threat of a Cuba with nuclear armed missiles that could first strike hit us in a matter of minutes. Yet we assume that Russia should sit idly by when we create the same loaded gun threat against them by basing missiles in Poland?

What are some of you idiots smoking?.
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Obviously the situations don't even vaguely resemble each other.

The US is certainly not potentially looking at basing nuclear weapons from Poland, but merely missile interceptors which are INDISPUTABLY in the wrong place to actually intercept the Russia ICBMs which would be going over a polar route.

The whole thing is purely posturing on the part of the Russian by creating a phantom threat regarding the US action. Having said this if Russia's assistance does prevent Iran from getting nukes, (or persuade them to give up pursuing them) there is no point in the missile shield based in Poland, so we might as well go ahead and refrain from building it at that point.
 
This shield was only capable of intercepting 10 missiles (or maybe less), and was tailor made to shoot down Iranian missiles _on their way to Europe_. Eventually, once Iran got ICBM capability (actually not that far away now that they've orbited a small satellite), it could protect the US.

If the ground based shield is canceled, the capability can be replicated with the proven Standard missiles launched from AEGIS ships. Just park them in the Mediterranean or Black Sea and they can shoot down Iranian missiles headed toward Europe.

The reason it riled Russia was because it was in Eastern Europe and was seen as challenging them for control of their old stomping grounds.

A better way to cement ties with Eastern Europe is economically; what does Russia have to offer through commerce except cheap weapons and energy? Although, apparently financial doom awaits Eastern Europe in a few weeks/months. Maybe the US doesn't want to be their friends (and have to bail them out).

I say, the offer is good. Put pressure on Russia to pressure Iran. They may have more success simply because they are rivals of the US. Not to mention all of their military/energy deals with Iran already in place.

And if Russia fails to follow through, the missiles can always be set up anyway. The Patriot air defense missiles for Poland will be installed no matter if the ballistic shield is installed or not.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
+1 for Obama.

Bush restarting the cold war to create a missile shield that cost billions and might never work was not one of his brighter ideas.

Spend the money on increasing VA hospital funding and/or pay for soldiers instead.
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:thumbsup:

Some Republicans just won't be happy until the entire rest of the world is a sheet of glass... thankfully, the rest of us with brains realize that making friends is >>> making enemies.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
A question, Why would we ally ourselves with the weak countries and then become "enemies" with the more powerful ones?

I would rather have Russia as an Ally rather than France or Belgium.
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:thumbsup:
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Clearly you guys dont drink Belgium beer. It's worth defending.
 
The US has been saying the missile shield is there to protect Europe from rogue states - Iran.
Not sure why US taxpayer needs to pay for that, but be it as it may, if Iran doesn't have nukes, no need for the shield.
 
Originally posted by: novasatori
European missile shield != protect Europe

look up "great circle", its to protect the US

now I don't really care either way, but its funny to see people who know nothing about it talk about protecting Europe
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It's also supposed to be for them, but I'm not sure why we're even thinking about them. We need new alliances. I'd throw Europe under the bus to be allies with Russia instead.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another Obama win.

Axe a costly missile shield we don't need.

Improve Russian relations.

Get help with Iran.

Thanks for the info CAD.
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And what "help" do you think we need with Iran? Arent all of you far-left whackos in favor of Iran getting "the bomb" to counter those pesky Zionists?


Typical partisan crap. Agree with whatever your elected President does. How do you feel about Obama striking a sovereign nation that we arent at war with (Pakistan)?

For the record, I applaud this. Russia is not our problem, this isnt 1970. We need good relations with Russia, for together our power can stomp out radical Islam. That is who we need to focus on. Yes, Russia is becoming a resurgent power based on Fossil Fuels, but with a MAD relationship, who gives a shit? Nobody wants to fight.

Those cave-dwelling, virgin-seeking assholes, on the other hand, need to be destroyed or imprisoned. That is where our priorites lie at this time.

 
Explain why this is a bad deal. It is this dumbass machismo attitude I loathe, a leader makes a compromise in order to strike a deal and it is perceived as weak in some circles. It is this stupid thinking that we have had to deal with the past 8 years and it got us nowhere with Iran.

Rawr, stomp stomp, we're the tough guys, rawr, freedom, America, do what we say, bla bla bla. Take this missile shield and shove it. Rawr. Iran has uranium? Rawr. Russia invades Georgia? Rawr. stomp stomp, look at how effective we are by only being tough.
 
So when Obama gives up the missile shield, and Iran continues to develop nuclear weapons, and Russia is unable or unwilling to stop them, then what? I guess 'he tried' so that makes it all OK.
 
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