Obama picks Rick Warren to deliver invocation

[Genx87]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...bama.warren/index.html

Quite frankly I have enjoyed watching Obama play the centrist so far. This move is simply brilliant and gives the finger to the far left in his own party. This will be an interesting 4 years if this continues.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...bama.warren/index.html

Quite frankly I have enjoyed watching Obama play the centrist so far. This move is simply brilliant and gives the finger to the far left in his own party. This will be an interesting 4 years if this continues.

So far? Obama has always campaigned as a centrist. Even in the primaries, where you play to the base of your party Obama was pretty middle of the road. I know that during the general election the right tried to paint him as some far left commie angry black man that was going to enslave all the white people, but the truth is he's always been center left.

While I wish he were farther left than he is, I can't say I'm the slightest bit surprised at how he's run his transition.

 

[RKDaley]

The 'far right" isn't too happy about it either, particularly the "pro-life: crowd. Guess they got the finger too.

But pro-life readers seem to be equally upset at Rick warren for agreeing to it.

The Brody File has been flooded with emails and most of them absolutely rip Pastor Warren for doing this. Below is but a very small sampling. I can?t reprint all of them but let me just say that pro-lifers are NOT happy with Warren at all.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/504326.aspx

 

[fleshconsumed]

Much ado about nothing.

 

[m1ldslide1]

I'm enjoying the centrist angle myself as well - hopefully this will all play out well to the advantage of the people.

In the mean time I'm probably one of those 'far left' you reference, and I tend to see little distinction between (non-violent) Islamic extremists and Christian extremists. Both seek to legislate their interpretation of morality to our collective detriment and deserve to be bitch-slapped with giant rotting anus. (Don't ask me how that would be physically possible - I'm not here to quibble over such details)

 

[lupi]

So he picks a prop 8 supporter for his innaguration team and the true bigots are now in a hizzy, true lulz.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RKDaley
The 'far right" isn't too happy about it either, particularly the "pro-life: crowd. Guess they got the finger too.

But pro-life readers seem to be equally upset at Rick warren for agreeing to it.

The Brody File has been flooded with emails and most of them absolutely rip Pastor Warren for doing this. Below is but a very small sampling. I can?t reprint all of them but let me just say that pro-lifers are NOT happy with Warren at all.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/504326.aspx

When you piss off the wings and the middle is happy you're probably doing something right. Hey, he could have picked Phlager or Wright heh

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...bama.warren/index.html

Quite frankly I have enjoyed watching Obama play the centrist so far. This move is simply brilliant and gives the finger to the far left in his own party. This will be an interesting 4 years if this continues.

So far? Obama has always campaigned as a centrist. Even in the primaries, where you play to the base of your party Obama was pretty middle of the road. I know that during the general election the right tried to paint him as some far left commie angry black man that was going to enslave all the white people, but the truth is he's always been center left.

While I wish he were farther left than he is, I can't say I'm the slightest bit surprised at how he's run his transition.

I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: lupi
So he picks a prop 8 supporter for his innaguration team and the true bigots are now in a hizzy, true lulz.

I know - I was surprised to hear that the thumpers were so upset about it too. I would have expected them to be appreciative of the gesture, but that goes to show the nature of their character. As if there was already any doubt...

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dphantom
I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

Please articulate his leftiness. Clinton advocated universal healthcare, with stricter provisions and mandates than obama. He disagreed with the SC ruling that states cannot choose to put child rapists to death. He compromised on the FISA/telco immunity bill. He plans to continue faith based initiatives...this is not the stuff of lefty politics.

 

[Aikouka]

I don't see this as a big deal. It's a dude that talks once... big whoop .

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: lupi
So he picks a prop 8 supporter for his innaguration team and the true bigots are now in a hizzy, true lulz.

I know - I was surprised to hear that the thumpers were so upset about it too. I would have expected them to be appreciative of the gesture, but that goes to show the nature of their character. As if there was already any doubt...

We can only hope they again take to the streets to duplicate the success of the first go around.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: dphantom
I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

Please articulate his leftiness. Clinton advocated universal healthcare, with stricter provisions and mandates than obama. He disagreed with the SC ruling that states cannot choose to put child rapists to death. He compromised on the FISA/telco immunity bill. He plans to continue faith based initiatives...this is not the stuff of lefty politics.

Voting Ratings

Obama was and is a very liberal Senator. To win and lead, he had to and appears to be moving more to the center. That move to the center is practical, but does not necessarilymean a very liberal Senator has now become a moderate in his core beliefs, but rather reflects a pragmatic fact that to be most effective, he has to be more centrist.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: dphantom
I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

Please articulate his leftiness. Clinton advocated universal healthcare, with stricter provisions and mandates than obama. He disagreed with the SC ruling that states cannot choose to put child rapists to death. He compromised on the FISA/telco immunity bill. He plans to continue faith based initiatives...this is not the stuff of lefty politics.

Voting Ratings

Obama was and is a very liberal Senator. To win and lead, he had to and appears to be moving more to the center. That move to the center is practical, but does not necessarilymean a very liberal Senator has now become a moderate in his core beliefs, but rather reflects a pragmatic fact that to be most effective, he has to be more centrist.

Exactly. He wants to get things done by leading, not fighting

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: dphantom
I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

Please articulate his leftiness. Clinton advocated universal healthcare, with stricter provisions and mandates than obama. He disagreed with the SC ruling that states cannot choose to put child rapists to death. He compromised on the FISA/telco immunity bill. He plans to continue faith based initiatives...this is not the stuff of lefty politics.

Voting Ratings

Obama was and is a very liberal Senator. To win and lead, he had to and appears to be moving more to the center. That move to the center is practical, but does not necessarilymean a very liberal Senator has now become a moderate in his core beliefs, but rather reflects a pragmatic fact that to be most effective, he has to be more centrist.

You repeated that "he's a very liberal senator" but haven't said what positions make that so, just a voting record. I knew you were going to go there but judging a person by how often they disgreed with our current president isn't a good way to determine how liberal someone is, but how sane they are. You said he's left of clinton, show us something he said or a host of issues that he advocated that place him to her left. I showed you several where he's to her right.

For the record, I'm not disputing that he's more liberal than centrist, but I saw him moving center during the primaries, not after the election.

 

[piasabird]

This is just a prayer before he gets sworn in. If you fear a prayer then maybe you are a Theo-phobe.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...bama.warren/index.html

Quite frankly I have enjoyed watching Obama play the centrist so far. This move is simply brilliant and gives the finger to the far left in his own party. This will be an interesting 4 years if this continues.

So far? Obama has always campaigned as a centrist. Even in the primaries, where you play to the base of your party Obama was pretty middle of the road. I know that during the general election the right tried to paint him as some far left commie angry black man that was going to enslave all the white people, but the truth is he's always been center left.

While I wish he were farther left than he is, I can't say I'm the slightest bit surprised at how he's run his transition.

I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

Nah dude. There's a difference between Obama the voting senator, and Obama the president/leader. Just because he had a very liberal voting record does not mean he can lead from the center (which is what a good leader SHOULD do).

Also, you only need to look at Obama v Clinton on health care to see why one would say Obama is more moderate than Hillary.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...bama.warren/index.html

Quite frankly I have enjoyed watching Obama play the centrist so far. This move is simply brilliant and gives the finger to the far left in his own party. This will be an interesting 4 years if this continues.

So far? Obama has always campaigned as a centrist. Even in the primaries, where you play to the base of your party Obama was pretty middle of the road. I know that during the general election the right tried to paint him as some far left commie angry black man that was going to enslave all the white people, but the truth is he's always been center left.

While I wish he were farther left than he is, I can't say I'm the slightest bit surprised at how he's run his transition.

I think not. Obama was left of Clinton who is center left at best. His move towards the center is expected as would have been a conservatives' if one had won the election.

I wrote posts in this very forum about how Obama was a centrist and a pragmatist as far back as January / February. I arrived at at conclusion simply from listenting to his positions and reading his website. That is the way he campaigned.

A very flawed study painted him as a the most liberal, and people ate that nonsense up. His voting record has nothing to do with his campaign anyway, since he didn't campaign on his voting record, but on what he intended to do and change in the future.

Anyone that thought that he wasn't centrist either didn't pay attention to how he described himself, or thought he was lying. The right had a very organized campaign to paint him as very liberal, even socialist, but that was never based on reality.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

This displays the maturity that we need from our leadership to stop thinking in ideological, black and white terms and work toward actual solutions. A president who wants to be president of everyone, even those who disagree with him on some important issues and those he disagrees with in return.

Our political leaders of the past have created the environment where once in power we must alienate and belittle the other side. This is a major part of the Rove 50 plus 1 strategy to keep the country divided. This strategy just bit the GOP in the ass. This is a vicious cycle that will continue to be repeated until someone decides to lead in a different way.

Sounds like "change" to me

 

[RabidMongoose]

It's a brilliant and shrewd move by Obama. He might as well placate some conservatives with this move, but it has no actual legal or practical effect on the country. Shrewd.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: jonks
You repeated that "he's a very liberal senator" but haven't said what positions make that so, just a voting record.

For the record, I'm not disputing that he's more liberal than centrist, but I saw him moving center during the primaries, not after the election.

Seriously :roll:

For example his voting record in regards to war, taxes & abortions. Very liberal.

You guys keep taking this as some sort of insult against Obama, when it really is not. It is merely a reflection of our distrust of all elected officials.

In 2004 Blagojevich ran on a platform of reform, and to clean up corrupt government...

In 2000 George W. Bush ran on a platform of honesty, integrity, and trust...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I don't see this as a big deal. It's a dude that talks once... big whoop .

It has to do with symbolism, but you are correct in some sense I guess. At least, I never hear of anyone in that position doing anything. This will most likely just be a 15 min spotlight.

 

[Jeff7]

Wow, he pissed off both the far left and the far right at the same time?

Nicely done.



Though Wikipedia says Warren is socially conservative and economically liberal. I tend more to the opposite way.


Damn, now I have to waste my weekend picketing in futility. :laugh:

 

[AreaCode7O7]

I liked this quote from the comments on the article at SFGate.com:

"Although I have no interest in Rick Warren and fundamentalists, Obama is astute in this choice. He's got to get everyone on board - including the right wing. Those of us still stunned from the Prop 8 debacle need to understand that others do have opionions, and those may not always be the same as ours."
fairguy
12/18/2008 9:31:48 AM

 

[ModerateRepZero]

I don't see how it's a slap to the left's supporters....Warren is apparently socially liberal.

About the only ones who should be offended are supporters of gay marriage, gays and lesbians, but Warren's differing opinion on a single issue does not make him a rabid Bush supporter