UberNeuman
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IronWing
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So far his cabinet has been discouraging to say the least. A pro war opportunist for Secretary of State, a ethanol queen for Agriculture, and a welfare rancher for Interior. So much for change. Now picking religious right bigot to deliver the invocation.
Kucinich 2012!
Kucinich 2012!
Zebo
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That's why I call him Black Bush. I mean the guy is so establishment it's not even funny and a neo-con to boot. Just wait till he gets those every morning NSA briefings from Neo-Con Gates and Smith he appointed. One good thing is he will stop the incessant whining of the press and left about being a war criminal president since they'll support him.
I'm with you. Both the real left and real right have good merits. This new party from Bush 1.0 on, what I like to call - Socialists for the bottom and top minorities of race and riches - is all about enriching a few at the expense of many and totally bought and sold by the MIC.
If you read the study and how they came to that determination, you will see how absurd the distinction is.
How in the hell is Robert gates a neocon? Is that just some code for 'Republican I don't like'? He's an advocate of diplomacy over force, the exact opposite of neoconservatism.
Nope, if you look at their policy platforms during the primary they were nearly identical. The principal difference was their views on health care, in which Clinton's was more leftist than Obama. Neither candidate was particularly leftist.
Zebo
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Yeah sure I guess forcing ourselves on Iraqis' for DECADES whether they like it or not is a real diplomat. Going into Pakistan whether they like it or not, ditto. Don't believe the hype read what he says and who he worked for.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13891
jonks
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Saw a clip of the Ann Curry Dateline NBC interview that will be airing tonight.
CURRY: If science finds that this is biological, that people are born gay, would you change your position?
WARREN: No, and the reason why is because we all have biological predispositions. I'm naturally inclined to have sex with every beautiful woman I see. But that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Nice comparison fucknut. Gay men want to have sex with every beautiful man they see, but they don't go around doing that either. It's the fact that they want a man and not a woman that you can't wrap your tiny little head around. Putz.
CURRY: If science finds that this is biological, that people are born gay, would you change your position?
WARREN: No, and the reason why is because we all have biological predispositions. I'm naturally inclined to have sex with every beautiful woman I see. But that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Nice comparison fucknut. Gay men want to have sex with every beautiful man they see, but they don't go around doing that either. It's the fact that they want a man and not a woman that you can't wrap your tiny little head around. Putz.
Don't hold your breath. Rick Warren's a fat bloviating piece of shit, but he and Winnah11221!!! probably share the same social conservative "values" so there you have it: The one Obama pick that our resident nitwit won't nitpick.
Really? I thought this would be perfect Winnar bait. He could run in and scream "LOL CHANGE".
Of course, in typical Winnar fashion he wouldn't seem to realize that someone picking a person do deliver the invocation that he had significant disagreements with would in fact represent a break from tradition and constitute change, but this is Winnar we're talking about here.
I don't really appreciate Obama picking anti-gay people for prominent places in his inauguration, but as I originally said I'm not super surprised either.
Gates can still advocate the use of force in some situations and not be a neocon. I have seen no evidence that he advocates now, or has ever advocated the use of US military as a transformational instrument of democracy. If you have some links to this, please share them.
You can be a supporter of staying in Iraq and be nowhere close to a neoconservative. I wish we would get the hell out of Iraq too, but it's important to use terms correctly.
Lemon law
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My take on the Obama move of having Warren deliver the invocation may be the following contrast. The GOP strategy of the past 14 years was basically pushed by Gingrich and Rove, slice and dice various voting blocks and try to get and keep a 50.1 % majority. Then grant those in the majority their place at the table while telling those on the losing side to sit at the group W bench and shut up. And if those on the group W bench complain, they simply get ignored. Not only does such a GOP strategy result in a polarized country, it also results in social stagnation because basic social issues are not really addressed.
The Obama strategy seemingly now signaled is quite different. Despite the fact that the democrats have won a huge victory in the elections of 2006 and 2008 and now have the numbers to effectively ignore opposition viewpoints, Obama may be saying that the group W exile bench no longer exits, everyone has a seat at the table, Rick Warren gets a chance to speak out, but then may have to sit down, look to his right and left, and have to look eye ball to eyeball, at gays and Lesbians who also have a place at that same table.
Such a strategy can be very effective at reducing polarization and can result in social issues being addressed more responsibly. And now the onus is on Rick Warren and the religious right to more responsibly come to grips with groups they previously tried to demonize and ignore.
The Obama strategy seemingly now signaled is quite different. Despite the fact that the democrats have won a huge victory in the elections of 2006 and 2008 and now have the numbers to effectively ignore opposition viewpoints, Obama may be saying that the group W exile bench no longer exits, everyone has a seat at the table, Rick Warren gets a chance to speak out, but then may have to sit down, look to his right and left, and have to look eye ball to eyeball, at gays and Lesbians who also have a place at that same table.
Such a strategy can be very effective at reducing polarization and can result in social issues being addressed more responsibly. And now the onus is on Rick Warren and the religious right to more responsibly come to grips with groups they previously tried to demonize and ignore.
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1. There is NO "liberal" stance on war, chubby, only intelligent ones based on the wisdom and necessity of said war . . . unless you consider FDR a pacifist.
2. All this proves is that Bush is a scumbag liar, and Obama is not.
. . . But thanks for pointing that out. Seriously! :laugh:
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