Obama Parting Shot: No Nuclear EMP Protection

[OutHouse]

Source?

link in the op.

 

[JSt0rm]

link in the op.

Lay out your evidence that obama sold 100+ tons of uranium to iran.

 

[bshole]

So the Obama admin sends 100+ tons of raw uranium to Iran and you boot licking democrats make jokes? wtf is wrong with you?

Hey until you have tasted shoe leather don't knock it!

I and every engineer that I know agrees that this is significant issue that we need to address. Adding faraday cages is not a trivial thing though. We have spent several months on a problem with injected currents on one of our controllers.

Even if you protect the power grid, you are still going to lose most of your electronics. No cell phones, tvs, computers, car electronics, heavy equipment electronics, automated factory equipment, etc... all fried.... The cost to emp proof all that equipment (to solar flare impervious levels) would probably be in the trillions.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don't worry, you're not really special among the crowd of right wing dummies here who pretend to be anything but.

The only insight here is this topic is basically conservative concern trolling, you know tech dinosaurs pretending to be anything but.

 

[OutHouse]

Lay out your evidence that obama sold 100+ tons of uranium to iran.

is that the go to thing now to try to shut somebody down? show me your evidence? lol this is a forum not a court of law.

if you want more, then you will just have to wait until my GulfStream gets here and i get my super access badge to dig in a shit ton of files. until then here is a ABC link for you.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...powers-natural-uranium-shipment-iran-44649533

 

[WHAMPOM]

Why does Obama hate the U.S. so much?

http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/emp-nuclear/2017/01/17/id/768979/

I am trying to figure the $Trillions it would cost to bury all transmission lines and erect faraday cages over all generating stations and end users. I am sure there is a paper on this, but I don't want to take the time to dig it up for you.

 

[agent00f]

Thanks for verifying how trite your sort are.

 

[nakedfrog]

Of course, if he had done something, the article would be instead about how he'd dictatorially imposed a cripplingly expensive measure on the American people, against a laughably unlikely event because he hates capitalism.

And also he's still a Muslim. FYI.

Sad.

 

[JSt0rm]

is that the go to thing now to try to shut somebody down? show me your evidence? lol this is a forum not a court of law.

if you want more, then you will just have to wait until my GulfStream gets here and i get my super access badge to dig in a shit ton of files. until then here is a ABC link for you.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...powers-natural-uranium-shipment-iran-44649533

Well your statement sounded like fake news. And it was. A hyperactive !!! "factoid" tacked onto a real thing.

 

[UNCjigga]

Again I may not understand the source material here, but at first reading it sounds like the FERC is using the commission's report to standardize protections for the national grid at the naturally occurring E3 level, and not the enhanced E3 or E1 levels from a nuclear attack. The source also mentions that equipment to protect against GMD EMP E3 is already commercially available for providers to use as they see fit.

I fail to see the issue here, and it's difficult to judge the administration's decision with no mention of budget allocation (from Congress?) for implementing the commission's recommendations in full.

 

[bshole]

Here is what a more knowledgeable person than myself said on it. So perhaps I was full of shit with regards to solar flares blowing out the electronics. The electronics apparently would be much more susceptible to a nuclear blast.

You need to do a little more reading. The way an EMP pulse from a CME is much different than that produced by a nuclear weapon detonated in the upper atmosphere. Nuclear EMPs generate a much sharper intense which is quick enough to bypass your over-voltage protection circuits. CME interaction with the earths magnetic field generate a slow, high amplitude pulse, which doesn't affect small amounts of wiring much, but generates huge amount of DC current in very long wires (think cross country transmission lines). Much more than they were designed to handle. It would destroy pretty much every transformer hooked up to the grid, however your home computer would probably be okay as long as you have a surge protector on it. Cellphone and things which reply on ICs would be just fine.

That said, yes pretty much all utilities would go down because we rely on electricity from the grid to run cell phone towers, land lines would be cooked, so no phones of any type really unless there is a cross country fiber optics line that doesn't rely on the grid for power. No water, no power, no cable. But say in 6-48 months when every transformer ever is repaired, you computer would still turn on and you could plug your cell phone back in and start using it again.

As for end of the world stuff... probably not. Large parts of the world are "off the grid". short wave radios would work fine, long wave radios would work after a day or two, and you can be assured despite all the pandering, there is an emergency plan in place for such an event and you'd get familiar with the national guard (if you live in the US) pretty quickly.

 

[bshole]

So basically protecting against the EMP from a nuclear blast would cost trillions (to protect all electronic equipment) while protecting against the solar flares is much more cost efficient and requires only select power equipment to be protected.

 

[JSt0rm]

So basically protecting against the EMP from a nuclear blast would cost trillions (to protect all electronic equipment) while protecting against the solar flares is much more cost efficient and requires only select power equipment to be protected.

why do you hate murica! We should be spending trillions on all nuclear everything.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Thanks for verifying how trite your sort are.

"Your sort". Considering you can't know me at all it appears you are a product of irrational bigotry and therefore it makes absolutely no sense to take you seriously any more than anyone else has. Notice that neither Left nor Right give me much grief? That's because I really don't care what you are. If you have a rational argument I'll listen and based on merits I'll decide. Unfortunately you don't seem able to construct one and have fixated on me for whatever deep seated emotional disturbance you are suffering from. Seriously, just step away from the keyboard. You aren't that important and neither am I.

But do what you are compelled to do. You can't help it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So basically protecting against the EMP from a nuclear blast would cost trillions (to protect all electronic equipment) while protecting against the solar flares is much more cost efficient and requires only select power equipment to be protected.

I think it's more of a problem as isolating the grid without failures is more of a trick than one might think. The only guaranteed protection is to not have a grid, or at least something like independent clusters which can more easily be shielded and offers protection from a real possible terrorist threat, embedded malicious code like found in VT. Switching to solar would make such attacks senseless, improve the environment and with volume production and solar technology advancing than established grid and central power distribution, most likely would bring costs down. Solar makes more sense every month from an economic, environmental and from a perspective of robustness.

 

[agent00f]

So basically protecting against the EMP from a nuclear blast would cost trillions (to protect all electronic equipment) while protecting against the solar flares is much more cost efficient and requires only select power equipment to be protected.

When there's enough nuclear weapon output to cause widespread disruption, the country/world has bigger problems than a power outage.

"Your sort". Considering you can't know me at all it appears you are a product of irrational bigotry and therefore it makes absolutely no sense to take you seriously any more than anyone else has. Notice that neither Left nor Right give me much grief? That's because I really don't care what you are. If you have a rational argument I'll listen and based on merits I'll decide. Unfortunately you don't seem able to construct one and have fixated on me for whatever deep seated emotional disturbance you are suffering from. Seriously, just step away from the keyboard. You aren't that important and neither am I.

But do what you are compelled to do. You can't help it.

No, not making any sense would be the predictably dumbshit conservative brain trust suddenly becoming enlightened enough for science. Or someone obviously of that crowd trying to pass off as some kind of independent.

 

[bshole]

why do you hate murica! We should be spending trillions on all nuclear everything.

LoL! My wife has asked for a nuclear powered dildo on more than one occasion. If America does spend that money on nuclear I hope some of it gets channeled into nuclear sex equipment.

 

[bshole]

When there's enough nuclear weapon output to cause widespread disruption, the country/world has bigger problems than a power outage.
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Agreed. As I said previously, I hope the nukes hit over my house because I certainly don't want to be around for a post-apocalyptic earth.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When there's enough nuclear weapon output to cause widespread disruption, the country/world has bigger problems than a power outage.



No, not making any sense would be the predictably dumbshit conservative brain trust suddenly becoming enlightened enough for science. Or someone obviously of that crowd trying to pass off as some kind of independent.

So what is my educational background, "genius" and how do you know the specifics?

Here mousy, mousy.

 

[OutHouse]

Well your statement sounded like fake news. And it was. A hyperactive !!! "factoid" tacked onto a real thing.

the abc news link is fake news?

 

[agent00f]

So what is my educational background, "genius" and how do you know the specifics?

Here mousy, mousy.

Pretty obvious you're about as smart as you are independent.

 

[Fern]

So the very real threat to this nation is terrorists obtaining nuclear device and detonating it at high altitude thus blacking out entire national grid for more than a year resulting in death of 90% of Americans in the year to follow? Not even SyFy could come up with a plot this unbelievably stupid.

This type of EMP can be done with conventional explosives and a small private aircraft. Popular Mechanics published an article about it with plans/diagrams back in 2001 IIRC. (Nukes cover a larger area. I don't remember the range using conventional explosives, but even if conventional explosives would limit the EMP to a major metropolitan area it could be catastrophic.)

That clearly isn't syfy.

Fern

 

[JSt0rm]

the abc news link is fake news?

Does the abc news link say obama sold iran 100+ tons of uranium?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pretty obvious you're about as smart as you are independent.

So you have nothing. Heh, dismissed.

 

[agent00f]

So you have nothing. Heh, dismissed.

It was literary explained in the post you replied to, but you were too busy acting indignant to realize it.

This type of EMP can be done with conventional explosives and a small private aircraft. Popular Mechanics published an article about it with plans/diagrams back in 2001 IIRC. (Nukes cover a larger area. I don't remember the range using conventional explosives, but even if conventional explosives would limit the EMP to a major metropolitan area it could be catastrophic.)

That clearly isn't syfy.

Fern

Conventional explosives get used quite a bit in wars, and it's pretty obvious that losing power is not the Real problem there.