Obama Parting Shot: No Nuclear EMP Protection

[Fern]

Of course, if he had done something, the article would be instead about how he'd dictatorially imposed a cripplingly expensive measure on the American people, against a laughably unlikely event because he hates capitalism.

And also he's still a Muslim. FYI.

Sad.

Some people haven't read the article.

The claim is that a comprehensive plan wouldn't be expensive. But, that the expected plan, while only providing limited protection, makes expansion into a more comprehensive protection later much more difficult and expensive. That's the complaint.

"The cost to comprehensively protect the entire U.S. grid from both E1 and nuclear and naturally occurring E3 would be modest if integrated with geomagnetic disturbance protection, and much of that could be recovered by utilities from their ratepayers at a very low per capita cost.

"Once FERC makes its final ruling on the regulatory standard for only GMD EMP protection, it will be both difficult and more expensive to replace with the necessary comprehensive standard that integrates the nuclear EMP protection.

Fern

 

[bshole]

This type of EMP can be done with conventional explosives and a small private aircraft. Popular Mechanics published an article about it with plans/diagrams back in 2001 IIRC. (Nukes cover a larger area. I don't remember the range using conventional explosives, but even if conventional explosives would limit the EMP to a major metropolitan area it could be catastrophic.)

That clearly isn't syfy.

Fern

Did they also post suppliers for the explosives? If they are posting plans on how to accomplish it, why not go full monty?

Seriously WTF were they thinking? Posting plans on how to attack America? That is just nuts.

 

[agent00f]

Some people haven't read the article.

The claim is that a comprehensive plan wouldn't be expensive. But, that the expected plan, while only providing limited protection, makes expansion into a more comprehensive protection later much more difficult and expensive. That's the complaint.

Fern

Have you considered: "The Chairman of the EMP Commission, Dr. William R. Graham, asked me to share with Newsmax" why someone like that would find that crowd particularly important to share this no doubt critically technical evaluation with?

Did they also post suppliers for the explosives? If they are posting plans on how to accomplish it, why not go full monty?

Seriously WTF were they thinking? Posting plans on how to attack America? That is just nuts.

The level of tech required for effective non-nuke emps implies an enemy that is basically nuclear anyway. This is a dumbshit concern thread as mentioned.

 

[nakedfrog]

Some people haven't read the article.

The claim is that a comprehensive plan wouldn't be expensive. But, that the expected plan, while only providing limited protection, makes expansion into a more comprehensive protection later much more difficult and expensive. That's the complaint.



Fern

Someone completely failed to grasp the point of my post. It's Newsmax, ergo, any action or inaction taken by this administration is the wrong one.

 

[dainthomas]

What about the dire threat of asteroids striking the earth? Why has Obama steadfastly refused to construct a giant force field over the United States to protect us from this menace? Why does he hate America so much?

 

[kage69]

LOL crying about Obama after having elected a 70 yr old man-child with 12 yr old challenged brain!

Yup.

Here's hoping the kid takes after Mattis more than Bannon.

 

[Paratus]

It's hardly Obamas fault. The only guy selling EMP hardened chips was this psycho nazi Russian dude.

 

[Fern]

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Conventional explosives get used quite a bit in wars, and it's pretty obvious that losing power is not the Real problem there.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But your remark about conventional explosives used in war leads me to believe you have misunderstood. The conventional explosives do not themselves create an EMP, but Popular Mechanics (or maybe Popular Science) explains the construction of a specific device that is powered or driven by conventional explosives. This type of EMP generator has nothing to do with war time bombs and such.

And I completely disagree that "losing power is not the REAL problem". The magnitude of the problems caused by widespread power outage for a sustained period cannot be overstated.

Fern

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And another mine was laid by Obozo. Worst President EVER!

conner, that wonderful title will be going to the drumpf taking office on friday. I get you don't like obama, and your reasons are so very well thought out, but he accomplished more than anyone ever dreamed he would.
suck it up buttercup

 

[Fern]

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The level of tech required for effective non-nuke emps implies an enemy that is basically nuclear anyway. This is a dumbshit concern thread as mentioned.

Um, no. Not at all.

One of the points in the article is that this type of EMP generator is rather low tech and can be built with readily available supplies.

Fern

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So the Obama admin sends 100+ tons of raw uranium to Iran and you boot licking democrats make jokes? wtf is wrong with you?

are you sure that wasn't yellowcake headed to some aluminum tubes in iraq?

 

[Blackjack200]

This thread

 

[agent00f]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But your remark about conventional explosives used in war leads me to believe you have misunderstood. The conventional explosives do not themselves create an EMP, but Popular Mechanics (or maybe Popular Science) explains the construction of a specific device that is powered or driven by conventional explosives. This type of EMP generator has nothing to do with war time bombs and such.

And I completely disagree that "losing power is not the REAL problem". The magnitude of the problems caused by widespread power outage for a sustained period cannot be overstated.

Fern

I'm saying that people who don't know much about tech easily conflate "conventional explosives" with simple weapons of that namesake, which some rogue element might employ, and not very complex systems just as sophisticated as nukes if not more. Also that people who aren't the business of understanding technical things are about as good at evaluating technical risks as you can imagine.

 

[nakedfrog]

Pretty obvious you're about as smart as you are independent.

I've known him a long time, just want to let you know your assessment is way off.

 

[Fern]

Someone completely failed to grasp the point of my post. It's Newsmax, ergo, any action or inaction taken by this administration is the wrong one.

IDK NewsMax. But Newsmax is irrelevant. They merely printed the letter by the Congressional EMP Commission and that's what's relevant. I.e., this is not Newsmax content or opinion.

And you're the one who posted about huge costs. If that wasn't your point you shouldn't have included it.

Fern

 

[brycejones]

is that the go to thing now to try to shut somebody down? show me your evidence? lol this is a forum not a court of law.

if you want more, then you will just have to wait until my GulfStream gets here and i get my super access badge to dig in a shit ton of files. until then here is a ABC link for you.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...powers-natural-uranium-shipment-iran-44649533

Still waiting for evidence Obama sold uranium to Iran.

 

[agent00f]

Um, no. Not at all.

One of the points in the article is that this type of EMP generator is rather low tech and can be built with readily available supplies.

Fern

So why are russia and the US about the only people doing it? Damn that al qaeda is hella dumb, if only they read Pop Mechanics like the conservative brain trust.

 

[IronWing]

Iran gets uranium and gives up heavy water, as required by the pact. Iran also mothballs centrifuges, as required by the pact. Sounds like the pact is working.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Still waiting for evidence Obama sold uranium to Iran.

Obama didn't sell uranium but with other nations approved a sale by Russia to Iran.

 

[mrjminer]

It's been a while, but IIRC the cost isn't prohibitive; the cost is something like $2 billion. Obama is a shithead, and so are the Presidents before him that could have resolved the issue, as well. The interview I watched on Levin TV said something like the commission had their analysis and solutions identified in the early 90's and have been urging action since, but have been ignored. Might have been the mid-late 90's; been a year since I watched the interview.

 

[nakedfrog]

IDK NewsMax. But Newsmax is irrelevant. They merely printed the letter by the Congressional EMP Commission and that's what's relevant. I.e., this is not Newsmax content or opinion.

And you're the one who posted about huge costs. If that wasn't your point you shouldn't have included it.

Fern

:facepalm:
I feel like you're deliberately trying to not understand what I was saying, so I'll just quit while I'm behind.

 

[mrjminer]

It's been a while, but IIRC the cost isn't prohibitive; the cost is something like $2 billion. Obama is a shithead, and so are the Presidents before him that could have resolved the issue, as well. The interview I watched on Levin TV said something like the commission had their analysis and solutions identified in the early 90's and have been urging action since, but have been ignored. Might have been the mid-late 90's; been a year since I watched the interview.

And I completely disagree that "losing power is not the REAL problem". The magnitude of the problems caused by widespread power outage for a sustained period cannot be overstated.

Fern

This. The cost compared to what amounts to basically wiping out like 90% of our population due to the after-effects makes such a small cost entirely negligible.

Also, forgot to mention, guess what country flies weather balloons across our country in the exact calculated areas for maximum damage from an EMP when a nuke is exploded in the air? That's right, crazy as fuck North Korea. And don't think they wouldn't do it, either, if they get the capability.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well it seems the liberal idiot squad on here know more about EMP threats than the Congressional EMP Commission who is warning us that we're about to get screwed, so we have nothing to worry about.

Yeh, how we're about to get screwed from the imaginary threat of a rogue state detonating an EMP burst big enough to blackout the whole power grid. After which 90% of us will die cuz reasons & shit.

 

[agent00f]

The people always on the opposite side of science and education are the smart ones.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeh, how we're about to get screwed from the imaginary threat of a rogue state detonating an EMP burst big enough to blackout the whole power grid. After which 90% of us will die cuz reasons & shit.

This thread is... holy shit. They are completely deranged.