Obama - no to Keystone pipeline

[monovillage]

Title is misleading.

What is misleading about it? The other posters didn't seem to have any trouble understanding it.

 

[Thump553]

Pumping stations monitor pressure and shut off if they detect a drop. Simple stuff really. Perfectly safe. Only Obama is holding up jobs, progress and more energy and trade with our closest ally. He is the job killer, the food stamp president.

I suppose the July, 2011 Yellowstone River spill didn't happen in your "perfectly safe" world? Yah, no need for regulatory evaluation and oversight of such projects, lets just accept the talking points of GOP partisans as irrefutable facts.

Obama has not killed the pipeline, the proponent can and is developing alternative proposals. He terminated an unproven plan when the GOP Congress mandated that decision-as part of the middle class tax cut they are still trying to kill.

 

[spidey07]

I suppose the July, 2011 Yellowstone River spill didn't happen in your "perfectly safe" world? Yah, no need for regulatory evaluation and oversight of such projects, lets just accept the talking points of GOP partisans as irrefutable facts.

Obama has not killed the pipeline, the proponent can and is developing alternative proposals. He terminated an unproven plan when the GOP Congress mandated that decision-as part of the middle class tax cut they are still trying to kill.

Republicans want the tax cut for an entire year, democrats are the ones who don't want it for a full year. Republicans want to keep taxes low for all Americans, democrats - want to increase taxes for all americans plus addtional tax increases.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Until those nasty little F5's come ripping through tornado alley...

Given all the pipelines we have across this area, where has an F5 done any damage to any of them

 

[umbrella39]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/27/michigan-oil-spill-among_n_661196.html

Don't really need a tornado now do we... point is... to make patently bullshit claims like SOME do here that it is perfectly safe... can go fuck themselves in their stupid ass. Not even built yet and the claims of safety are chiming in.

 

[soundforbjt]

The tar sands in Canada is the largest single polluter in the entire world.

 

[umbrella39]

republicans want the start wars and cause a recession and pay for them with tax cuts for all... and when it comes time to pay up blame the democrats!

ftfysa

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The tar sands in Canada is the largest single polluter in the entire world.

The tar sands are already polluted by oil and tar, the upper layers are exposed.

 

[soundforbjt]

The tar sands are already polluted by oil and tar, the upper layers are exposed.

I'm talking about the plant that extracts it.

 

[umbrella39]

Pumping stations monitor pressure and shut off if they detect a drop. Simple stuff really. Perfectly safe.

A month prior to the spill up here in Michigan, PM Harper said that this "couldn't happen because there were safeguards*"! There had already been 610 leaks on this pipeline. This was number 611... You sure you aren't working for the Canadian government now Spidey??? Sorry but sitting in a Kentucky basement giving armchair guarantees about pipeline safety = talking out your ass as usual.

 

[slayernine]

The tar sands in Canada is the largest single polluter in the entire world.

What a load of BS, link to facts backing up that statement? Yeah that is what I thought, just talking out of your ass because you heard other idiots repeating the same nonsense.

Ever been to Alberta where the tar/oil sands are located? We have lovely clean blue skies, clean drinking water and an abundance of wild animals that get along just peachy keen. You know why it is that way? We regulate the impact companies have on the environment and fine the hell out of them when they step outside regulation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/22/us-suncor-idUSTRE6BL3X820101222

This is a link to a source, its called backing up your statement people, try it sometime...

 

[spidey07]

One thing for certain is republicans now have a great example of how dangerous this president is to jobs and the economy. They can and rightfully should pound him over this stupid move come election time. Hit him with it in every debate and commercial. Pummel him. It will make union members think twice about if he really supports them and jobs.

Have some engineers and constructions workers in a commercial tell about how they had a nice 100k job lined up for the pipeline, but no longer because of Obama. Have them say in unison - "if it weren't for Obama, we'd be working. Why Obama, why". Have some of the coal workers, power plant workers, gulf oil workers, all 10s of thousands of them standing behind - "Why Obama, why did you do this?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm talking about the plant that extracts it.

Can you provide a non-biased source/s that backs this claim up?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What a load of BS, link to facts backing up that statement? Yeah that is what I thought, just talking out of your ass because you heard other idiots repeating the same nonsense.

Ever been to Alberta where the tar/oil sands are located? We have lovely clean blue skies, clean drinking water and an abundance of wild animals that get along just peachy keen. You know why it is that way? We regulate the impact companies have on the environment and fine the hell out of them when they step outside regulation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/22/us-suncor-idUSTRE6BL3X820101222

This is a link to a source, its called backing up your statement people, try it sometime...

This is the same guy who said earlier in this thread "Makes no difference when we don't get the oil." Facts don't seem to be his strong suit.

 

[Thump553]

Republicans want the tax cut for an entire year, democrats are the ones who don't want it for a full year. Republicans want to keep taxes low for all Americans, democrats - want to increase taxes for all americans plus addtional tax increases.

That's horseshit, pure and simple. The House (teabag) GOP agreed to a one year extension ONLY on the condition of accepting other onerous, job and recovery killing conditions that the House GOP wanted. No one ever "wanted" a two month extension and the GOP talking point pushed on this point by Cantor and others to the faithful is, quite frankly, not only deceptive but idiotic.

Any idea yet what the new GOP House conditions are on the middle class tax cut, or are they going to flat out try to kill it completely this time around?

 

[umbrella39]

Have some engineers and constructions workers in a commercial tell about how they had a nice 100k job lined up for the pipeline, but no longer because of Obama. Have them say in unison - "if it weren't for Obama, we'd be working. Why Obama, why". Have some of the coal workers, power plant workers, gulf oil workers, all 10s of thousands of them standing behind - "Why Obama, why did you do this?

So in other words, lie.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yeah, it's paradise up there.

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/jun08/feature_tar_sands.asp


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/jun/01/canada-tar-sands-carbon-emissions

 

[Pens1566]

What is misleading about it? The other posters didn't seem to have any trouble understanding it.

He didn't shut it down. Just prolonged it to allow rerouting of part of it. Typical spidey bs.

 

[slayernine]

This is the same guy who said earlier in this thread "Makes no difference when we don't get the oil." Facts don't seem to be his strong suit.

Hmnn Doc did you forget how to properly quote someone, or is that just too much effort for you?

 

[soundforbjt]

This is the same guy who said earlier in this thread "Makes no difference when we don't get the oil." Facts don't seem to be his strong suit.

So we're getting 100% of the oil from the pipeline? That's news to me.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Hmnn Doc did you forget how to properly quote someone, or is that just too much effort for you?

Someone piss in your Cheerios this morning?

Makes no difference when we don't get the oil.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So we're getting 100% of the oil from the pipeline? That's news to me.

Never said that.

You're the one who said we won't get the oil...which is 100% bullshit.

 

[slayernine]

Yeah, it's paradise up there.

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/jun08/feature_tar_sands.asp


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/jun/01/canada-tar-sands-carbon-emissions

I see nothing wrong with these pictures of industrial oil extraction, they only impact the area they are removing oil from. You sheeple from the same herd of folks who cry when they hear about cute animals getting killed yet don't care when there is no cuteness being destroyed.

When the oil is removed and the equipment moved on trees and plants will grow better than ever before. In fact I have been to reclaimed areas up north personally and they are healthy environments with plenty of deer, beaver and bears. I go camping in the oil sands region yearly with my family to go quading, fishing and berry picking.

If you want to start posting pictures lets take a look at other oil fields in the world, they also don't look "pretty" and "cuddly".

 

[Bowfinger]

And I'm willing to believe that TransCanada's job estimates are exaggerated...the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle as it usually does.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that that the GLI study is highly biased and agenda driven. There are numerous statements like "Keystone XL will impede progress toward green and sustainable economic renewal and will have a chilling effect on green investments and green jobs creation" throughout the "study" which reek of bias and agenda. Read the study and you'll see that it's full of speculation. Also look at how many times it uses the words "probably", "may" and "likey".

This "study" is environmental activism cloaked as "scientific" and "independent"...pure garbage.

I agree with everything up until your last line. I do imagine the GLI study underestimates jobs while the Keystone pitch overstates them. I also noticed the significant number of environmentalist talking points in parts of the report. What I'm most interested in, however, are the specific, factual points made by GLI, refuting claims made by Keystone. Those points should be "refutable" (if that's a word) if they are inaccurate. If they are accurate, on the other hand, they need to be considered as part of the overall conversation on the pipeline.

That's why I reject your last line, that the report is garbage. That has yet to be shown.

 

[soundforbjt]

“These plants are so huge, they basically create their own weather system.”

Pretty impressive... in a bad way.