Obama moves to partially legalize illegals

werepossum

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Straight from the McPaper of record: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-09-10-immigration10_ST_N.htm
By Marcus Stern, ProPublica
The Obama administration is changing the federal immigration enforcement strategy in ways that reduce the threat of deportation for millions of illegal immigrants, even as states such as Arizona, Colorado, Virginia, Ohio and Texas are pushing to accelerate deportations.


The changes focus enforcement on immigrants who have committed serious crimes, an effort to unclog immigration courts and detention centers. A record backlog of deportation cases has forced immigrants to wait an average 459 days for their hearings, according to an Aug. 12 report by Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC), which analyzes government data.

Among the recent changes:

• Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director John Morton ordered agency officials on Aug. 20 to begin dismissing deportation cases against people who haven't committed serious crimes and have credible immigration applications pending.

• A proposed directive from Morton posted on ICE's website for public comment last month would generally prohibit police from using misdemeanor traffic stops to send people to ICE. Traffic stops have led to increased deportations in recent years, according to Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank whose research supports tighter enforcement.

The directive said exceptions would be made in certain cases, such as when immigrants have serious criminal records.

• ICE officers have been told to "exercise discretion" when deciding whether to detain "long-time lawful permanent residents, juveniles, the immediate family members of U.S. citizens, veterans, members of the armed forces and their families, and others with illnesses or special circumstances," Daniel Ragsdale, ICE executive associate director of management, testified July 1 in the administration's lawsuit to block Arizona's controversial immigration law. The law requires police officers to determine the immigration status of suspects stopped for another offense if there was a "reasonable suspicion" they are in the USA illegally. A U.S. district judge has held up the provision pending review.

• A draft memo from ICE's sister agency, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service, to Morton discussed ways the administration could adjust regulations so certain groups, such as college students and the spouses of military personnel, could legalize their status or at least avoid deportation if Congress doesn't pass comprehensive immigration reform. USCIS rules on applications for visas, work permits and citizenship. USCIS spokesman Christopher Bentley said the memo was intended to stimulate brainstorming on how to legalize immigrants if new laws aren't passed.

The administration's new direction puts it at odds with those who believe the nation's immigration laws should be strictly enforced and that all illegal immigrants should be deported.

ICE is "thumbing its nose at the law," said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the top Republican on the House immigration subcommittee.

The changes have also drawn complaints from immigration advocates. They say deportations under Obama are at record highs and immigrants who remain behind are living in limbo, without work permits, Social Security cards or driver's licenses.

"This isn't a free ticket," said Raed Gonzalez, a Houston attorney who saw cases against his clients dropped last month. "The government can put them back into proceedings at any time."

Morton said in an interview that the new strategy is smarter, not softer, enforcement. At a time when more than 10 million people are in the country illegally, record sums are spent on enforcement and the federal budget faces huge deficits, it makes sense to target people who pose the biggest threat to public safety or national security, he said.

"Congress provides enough money to deport a little less than 400,000 people," Morton said. "My perspective is those 400,000 people shouldn't be the first 400,000 people in the door but rather 400,000 people who reflect some considered government enforcement policy based on a rational set of objectives and priorities."

ICE statistics show that deportations have increased dramatically from 189,000 in 2001 to 387,000 in 2009. Much of the increase results from deportations of people who haven't committed serious crimes, according to TRAC.

This year, however, that trend took a sharp turn, according to an Aug. 12 TRAC report.

The number of criminal immigrants removed by ICE "climbed to an all-time high," the report said. In fiscal 2010, which began Oct. 1, "The removal pace of criminal aliens ... is fully 60% higher than in the last year of the Bush administration, and at least a third (37%) higher than in the first year of the Obama administration."

Supporting sections have been bolded. This should put paid to any claims that Obama is harder on illegals than Bush (who was the illegals' best friend during his reign.)

One bright spot - the Obama administration is actually cracking down on illegals with records of serious crimes who are arrested for serious crimes, departing many more than did Bush. (Hopefully these aren't the "self deportations" favored by the Obama administration, which run up the numbers but do little to stop illegal immigration.) Although with his war on border protection and enforcement they'll walk right back in, at least it is something good.
 

DesiPower

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No surprise there, he has always been a minority sympathizer. His agenda is to please the minority and scare them of the majority and thereby lure them to him and his party. Lots of Hispanics who can vote actually support deportation of criminal illegals and legalizing "hard working" ones (even if they live off entitlement). So this move just strengthens his base. Anybody opposing this can be easily labeled bigot and thereby categorized as "dangerous" to minority.
 

Infohawk

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Message to people who want to come here legally: "Tough shit. Someone who doesn't follow the rules cut you in line. And we're too busy worrying about Qurans to do anything about it."
 

rudder

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Sure why not.... he has gone against the wishes of the American public on many an occasion... why stop now.
 

Svnla

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Message to people who want to come here legally: "Tough shit. Someone who doesn't follow the rules cut you in line. And we're too busy worrying about Qurans to do anything about it."

This (especially the bolded parts).

So we have highly educate people with money that want to come and open businesses but we make them wait for years while ILLEGALS with no skills and no money could sneak in and then demand amnesty (while the Fed drag their feet and still do not enforce current immigration laws on the books).

No wonder why we have a huge problem in ILLEGAL immigrant.
 

Jaskalas

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Sure why not.... he has gone against the wishes of the American public on many an occasion... why stop now.

The American public voted for this man and he made his policy no secret on the campaign trail.
 

Infohawk

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This (especially the bolded parts).

So we have highly educate people with money that want to come and open businesses but we make them wait for years while ILLEGALS with no skills and no money could sneak in and then demand amnesty (while the Fed drag their feet and still do not enforce current immigration laws on the books).

No wonder why we have a huge problem in ILLEGAL immigrant.

And then people complain when social services are cut. What do you expect when we have an influx of people who's wages don't generate enough taxes for their government-funded diabetes care and their multiple children's education?
 

DesiPower

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This (especially the bolded parts).

So we have highly educate people with money that want to come and open businesses but we make them wait for years while ILLEGALS with no skills and no money could sneak in and then demand amnesty (while the Fed drag their feet and still do not enforce current immigration laws on the books).

No wonder why we have a huge problem in ILLEGAL immigrant.

hahaha you poor thing, you are expecting politicians to do whats good or right for the country!?!?
 

DesiPower

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And then people complain when social services are cut. What do you expect when we have an influx of people who's wages don't generate enough taxes for their government-funded diabetes care and their multiple children's education?

but... but... you need to look at their plight, see where they live, see what they eat... they are sooooo pooor... no medical care... they live in America, shouldn't those damn rich ppl who wasted years and their time and 100s of thousands of dollars on their education pay for better living conditions for these ppl??? If you think otherwise you are bigot.
 

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but... but... you need to look at their plight, see where they live, see what they eat... they are sooooo pooor... no medical care... they live in America, shouldn't those damn rich ppl who wasted years and their time and 100s of thousands of dollars on their education pay for better living conditions for these ppl??? If you think otherwise you are bigot.

Bigot!!!!!!!! Anti-Immigrant!!! RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XENOPHOBIC!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The problem, it seems to me, is not with these policies coming into play proposed by the ICE. It is the lack of a long term solution to the problem of illegal immigration. Sure, one can deport all of the present illegal immigrants or to go on the opposite side of the policy spectrum and thus grant full amnesty. In either case, the restraints and policy changes would not be in place to prevent further illegal immigration. Immigrants would still be flocking across the border in due time, probably past the economic recession period.
One can also take a practical approach and say, with the trend of the past decades regarding illegal immigration, the long term approach and gov't policy IS eventual full amnesty.
 

Infohawk

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It is the lack of a long term solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

It's actually really simple. Get better ID cards. Require proof of legal residency / citizenship before you get paid or get social services. Fine companies and people who hire illegals heavily. If they can't make money or get services here, they will go home.
 

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Ugh this is one of a few things drives me up the wall about the Dems. They're ILLEGAL FFS! Both parties are fucking horrible. Why bother even voting?
 

Infohawk

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Ugh this is one of a few things drives me up the wall about the Dems. They're ILLEGAL FFS! Both parties are fucking horrible. Why bother even voting?

So you can choose between new wars OR pandering to illegals and muslims. Choose one!
 

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I love threads like this. You really get an idea of how fucking stupid and xenophonic conservatives are. Also apparantly many of them believe in magic since they fail to realize that it costs money to get illegals out of the country. And how many fail at reading comprehension since the article states the purpose of the change is to get the worst ones out first since they can't get em all no matter what you do.

Half the threads on this board are conservatives who are scared of blacks, muslims, immigrants, gays, communists, the poor, and the fucking sasquatch. Do you people begin to realize how outright insane you sound being so scared of EVERYTHING that isn't white and rich?
 

DesiPower

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It's actually really simple. Get better ID cards. Require proof of legal residency / citizenship before you get paid or get social services. Fine companies and people who hire illegals heavily. If they can't make money or get services here, they will go home.

This
 

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I love threads like this. You really get an idea of how fucking stupid and xenophonic conservatives are. Also apparantly many of them believe in magic since they fail to realize that it costs money to get illegals out of the country. And how many fail at reading comprehension since the article states the purpose of the change is to get the worst ones out first since they can't get em all no matter what you do.

Half the threads on this board are conservatives who are scared of blacks, muslims, immigrants, gays, communists, the poor, and the fucking sasquatch. Do you people begin to realize how outright insane you sound being so scared of EVERYTHING that isn't white and rich?

Can't really argue with this.

The Con Propaganda and Spin (& RAGE!) is going to bite them on the arse this November when they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Of course, they could dial back the hate and obfuscation, and actually explain to the American people how they would move the country forward.

But they don't have any ideas on that ...




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"Congress provides enough money to deport a little less than 400,000 people," Morton said. "My perspective is those 400,000 people shouldn't be the first 400,000 people in the door but rather 400,000 people who reflect some considered government enforcement policy based on a rational set of objectives and priorities."

You missed the important part.
While it would be great to kick them all out, wouldn't you want the ones who have committed other crimes to be deported first?

I agree with Infohawk's post as well.
 

Infohawk

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Also apparantly many of them believe in magic since they fail to realize that it costs money to get illegals out of the country.

Do you know how much it costs medicare to treat someone with diabetes every year?

(The rest of your post amounts to the sound of a baby crying for its baba so it will be ignored.)
 

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"Congress provides enough money to deport a little less than 400,000 people," Morton said. "My perspective is those 400,000 people shouldn't be the first 400,000 people in the door but rather 400,000 people who reflect some considered government enforcement policy based on a rational set of objectives and priorities."

This. But why shouldn't the same people who want lower taxes also bitch about the government essentially having to perform triage to at least get rid of the most violent.

The usual, no logic found with this crowd, bitch fest.
 

Infohawk

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This. But why shouldn't the same people who want lower taxes also bitch about the government essentially having to perform triage to at least get rid of the most violent.

The usual, no logic found with this crowd, bitch fest.

You're skipping over the fact that most people arguing against amnesty want to spend MORE on deportation.
 

werepossum

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I love threads like this. You really get an idea of how fucking stupid and xenophonic conservatives are. Also apparantly many of them believe in magic since they fail to realize that it costs money to get illegals out of the country. And how many fail at reading comprehension since the article states the purpose of the change is to get the worst ones out first since they can't get em all no matter what you do.

Half the threads on this board are conservatives who are scared of blacks, muslims, immigrants, gays, communists, the poor, and the fucking sasquatch. Do you people begin to realize how outright insane you sound being so scared of EVERYTHING that isn't white and rich?

What a brave little fellow you are to not be afraid of "blacks, muslims, immigrants, gays, communists, the poor, and the fucking sasquatch!" With your bravity brave bravocity you must be advocating the abolition of all government! Pat yourself on the back. That's right, take your hand out of my pocket first . . .

When you aren't afraid of providing for your own health care, education, housing, security, and retirement I'll begin to consider the idea that you might one day grow into something more than a whiny, self-centered little black hole of entitlement with an IQ smaller than his backward-facing hat size. I won't be scheduling time for that consideration any time soon though.