Obama might be in trouble for 2012

[Hayabusa Rider]

Also, I'm gonna be totally serious for a moment here, OK?
Bush was absolutely horrible in his first term, and he still got reelected. So just sit and think about that for a minute.

That was a different situation. Sitting Presidents usually are kept for a second term during a major shooting war. There's nothing like that in the public mind right now.

 

[dmcowen674]

seriously, the last thing this country needs is a Republican president.

Why? The economy was strong, jobs were plentiful and gas was cheap.

Now the economy is shit, jobs went overseas and gas is double what it was and still climbing.

 

[rudeguy]

That was a different situation. Sitting Presidents usually are kept for a second term during a major shooting war. There's nothing like that in the public mind right now.

which is sad...because there are still 2 wars going on

 

[Axon]

Just talking head stuff here. We won't know the real climate until he's actually up for re-election.

 

[Axon]

Now the economy is shit, jobs went overseas and gas is double what it was and still climbing.

To be fair, I was paying $4+ per gallon at one point of Bush's presidency as well. It went down for a while and now it's back to being obnoxiously high. Hard to believe that when I started driving in 1997, it was occasionally less than a dollar a gallon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

which is sad...because there are still 2 wars going on

Hence the emphasis on major shooting war. We're now accustomed to them and because it's Obama the hellfire has been called off. Note the lack of angst over his eroding of our rights.

That won't affect Obama either way though because unless something miraculous happens then we're going to have a Hobson's Choice of sub-par choices from the reps leading to a victory by Obama. People are wrong when they say that people are elected to office because they are perceived as best for the job, at least as far as merit goes. Often they are "best" because they aren't the worst or because one party machine sold their candidate better. During the Bush/Kerry election I heard much talk about who to hold their nose and vote for. That's not how it's supposed to be, but that's how it's become.

 

[kage69]

If I were a Dem I wouldn't worry. The Reps will almost certainly snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Yep.

 

[Fern]

Far too early to call the election. We don't know how the economy/jobs or gas prices will look next year, or whether anything unexpected (SK, Iran, terrorist attack etc) may pop up to influence the election one way or the other.

While I understand peoples' lack of respect for any Repub candidates atm, we should remember we don't even know who is running yet. So, it's also far too early to dismiss any Repub candidate at this time. Heck, until after the primaries are over we won't even know how they'll campaign. Primary campaigns are typically different than gen elec campaigns. The Repub will, as usual, likely run more to the middle in the gen elec. It's just too early to dismiss the Repub candidate, they aren't even known, much less campaigning yet.

Fern

 

[Patranus]

*shocked*

 

[Patranus]

far too early to call the election. We don't how the economy/jobs or gas prices will look next year, or whether anything unexpected (SK, Iran, terrorist attack etc) may pop up to influence the election one way or the other.

There is no way that Obama can undo the effects of "stimulus", QE1, and QE2 by the next election.

The price of goods has nowhere to go but up.

The hiring numbers mean jack shit when the unemployment rate is still so high and is being measured against the smallest workforce in recent history.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
The hiring numbers mean jack shit when the unemployment rate is still so high and is being measured against the smallest workforce in recent history.

Agreed.

And I still think the bogus way they count unemployment could go against Obama even if hiring goes up. If a lot of people come off the sidelines due to optimism to look for jobs, the unemployment numbers could go back up.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Agreed.

And I still think the bogus way they count unemployment could go against Obama even if hiring goes up. If a lot of people come off the sidelines due to optimism to look for jobs, the unemployment numbers could go back up.

Fern

True but independents will be looking at both candidates and both are wanting don't bet the farm against Obama. We will as usual determine the outcome and all signs show us as being more than a bit suspicious these days. Reps need to give us an alternative and a Palinoid won't work.

 

[nonameo]

Right about now, I just want to see a strong third party candidate. What we really need is to shake up the 2 party system. (edit: yes, I know it is just the presidency but a third party presidential win would get a lot of attention... third party senate/house wins won't get nearly as much)

 

[brencat]

During the Bush/Kerry election I heard much talk about who to hold their nose and vote for. That's not how it's supposed to be, but that's how it's become.

Stating the obvious I suppose but politics requires a special breed -- you have to be extroverted, charismatic, love traveling around, be tolerant of criticism, lies, and dirt digging into your family and affairs, and be ultra aggressive.

Most smart people would rather remain anonymous and just make lots of money in the private sector without all the bvllshit. So, the really good people that probably should serve in govt don't.

Me? I generally hate people. Which is why I work on Wall Street

 

[Anarchist420]

I think Gary Johnson will win the primary and the general election now that he's become a quasi-neocon. I was one of his earliest supporters, but now that he thinks state-sponsored war can be humanitarian, I can't support him anymore.

OTOH, Obama may very well start a fourth war before election comes up. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a false-flag attack up his sleeve that'll happen right before the election so that he'll win.

 

[fskimospy]

I think Gary Johnson will win the primary and the general election now that he's become a quasi-neocon. I was one of his earliest supporters, but now that he thinks state-sponsored war can be humanitarian, I can't support him anymore.

OTOH, Obama may very well start a fourth war before election comes up. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a false-flag attack up his sleeve that'll happen right before the election so that he'll win.

You are stupid, and you are wrong. There's a reason you went to a tier 4 college, and that's that you were such a poor student that you couldn't get in anywhere else.

Basically what I'm saying is: shut the fuck up you retard, you're dumb.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The majority of the media will demonize any republican running against Obama. Obama has a huge wad of cash for his campaign. The labor unions will pull out all the stops to help him. The dead in Chicago will vote as many times (in as many states) as required to help. Don't count your messiah out yet.

I might agree...except "Republicans" aren't going to be trying to beat President Obama in 2012. It's going to be a specific Republican running against him, and that's what looks to be a problem for the Republicans at the moment. Because there isn't really a Republican right now who is going to run who could beat Obama. In fact, each potential Republican candidate seems to be worse than the last.

2012 might not be a repeat of 2008, but it's looking like another 2004 to me, except with the positions reversed. In 2004, President Bush was wildly unpopular, and the campaign of "anybody but Bush" was going strong. Except when we got around to the actual election, it turned out that "anybody" was John Kerry, and for the majority of voters, "anybody but Bush" worked a lot better than "Kerry instead of Bush".

There's no question that right now Obama looks like he's beatable in 2012. But while his unpopularity might be going up, that doesn't mean the voters will prefer ANYONE to Obama. And the problem for the Republicans is that they seem to be holding a contest to find the biggest jackasses they possibly can, apparently in the belief that literally anyone can beat Obama. I'm not so sure.

 

[fskimospy]

The majority of the media will demonize any republican running against Obama. Obama has a huge wad of cash for his campaign. The labor unions will pull out all the stops to help him. The dead in Chicago will vote as many times (in as many states) as required to help. Don't count your messiah out yet.

I love how none of you guys can accept the fact that he might just win fair and square. It's always a conspiracy of nebulous and powerful interests conspiring against you which will deprive you of victory.

Another example of the victimhood complex that forms the base mythology for the ideology of self reliance.

 

[manimal]

The majority of the media will demonize any republican running against Obama. Obama has a huge wad of cash for his campaign. The labor unions will pull out all the stops to help him. The dead in Chicago will vote as many times (in as many states) as required to help. Don't count your messiah out yet.

If a good candidate like mitch daniels runs your first point is invalid. your second point is basic politics-he who has the cash is in the drivers seat. your third point is baseless and frankly ignorant. We hear the bs tired canard of voter fraud and its BASELESS....

in other words your the one being manipulated by media...

 

[Genx87]

James Carville "It is the economy stupid".

If the economy improves he will win. If it is stagnated or a double dip recession happens he is out.

 

[fskimospy]

James Carville "It is the economy stupid".

If the economy improves he will win. If it is stagnated or a double dip recession happens he is out.

Yeap.

 

[jonks]

far too early to call the election.

or even to speculate for anything more than shits and giggles. And for the "he's gone" crowd, his numbers now are higher than reagan's were at the same time. Way too many variables (Trump 3rd party run anyone?) to even guess at now. For the "he's definitely in" crowd, ask Hillary about that.

 

[PokerGuy]

I know I've had my share of anti-Obama comments on this board in the past, but seriously, the last thing this country needs is a Republican president. I know who I'm voting for, Obama.

Yes, but hopefully this time around there will be fewer idiots like yourself.

 

[PokerGuy]

James Carville "It is the economy stupid".

If the economy improves he will win. If it is stagnated or a double dip recession happens he is out.

That's what I think as well. Which leads to an interesting question. Lets say there was a magic wand that republicans in the house could waive that would either get the economy back on track quickly, or derail it further.... would they waive the wand and fix the economy (thus helping their constituents), or would they derail the economy further to avoid another 4 disastrous obummer years?

 

[manimal]

That's what I think as well. Which leads to an interesting question. Lets say there was a magic wand that republicans in the house could waive that would either get the economy back on track quickly, or derail it further.... would they waive the wand and fix the economy (thus helping their constituents), or would they derail the economy further to avoid another 4 disastrous obummer years?

the austerity measures they are pushing are sure to slow down growth so they seem to be already trying the latter...