The OP is a good example of the people who are so eager to drink the kool-aid and fawn over Obama. He hasn't even been elected yet or done anything and they want to make him president for life. Hah.
a point that i totally agree with, and i'll go further than that by stating it was obvious that he was a bad choice even before he got elected from the way he allowed his first pres. campaign to be run, which ended up being the exact same way he ran his administration: secretive, deceptive and dirty. bush's luck came from the fact that bill clinton's foibles and al gore's personality allowed bush to be the strong contender that he was at the time.
that being said, in my original post, i composed my thoughts specifically addressing the issue of allowing a third term in office, thus my reference to bush's second term.
GroundedSailor
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Which is why I wouldn't mind seeing McCain being the president for 1 term. People would remember who created this mess and republicans would not be able to make a comeback for along time, or would have to be more moderate like they were in the 50's & 60's.
I like this one:
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If done right taking out that nut in Iran can be a win-win unlike the GOP plan for Iraq.
Simply leave enough forces securing the oil in Iraq and move the rest of the forces to Iran.
Problem solved and now have Iran's oil.
People like OP have their own fantasy about Obama without much reality.
The less about Obama they know, the better their fantasy is. And fantasy rarely matches reality.
The Bush/McSame policies have aleady squandered too many American lives and too many trillions of dollars to indulge in four more years for that kind of science project that would only be doomed to more of the same failures. :thumbsdown:
now that's something hillary has been having a major thong wedgie over for months now, and something that has been a chronic condition afflicting bush and cheney from the get-go.
sandorski
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Well, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Remember how Bush was to usher in an era of a "Conservative" revolution and the subsequent destruction of "Liberalism" in its' awesome wake?
I agree that Obama seems the best candidate by far, but he could turn out to be a rather poor President. Electing a new Leader is always somewhat of a gamble and what may seem to be a great Leader may not turn out to be so.
Although not quite the same situation, I was quite excited when Paul Martin(Canadian Politics: Liberal Party)ran for Prime Minister here. This guy single handidly eliminated decades of Deficits and there have been (IIRC) 10 years of consecutive Budget Surplusses since. He did this after 8(ish) years of Conservative Party rule which preached Deficit Elimination, but failed to do so once Special Interest Groups began to protest proposed Funding Cuts. Martin said quite simply regarding Budget Cuts that he would stick to them, "Come Hell or high water" and that's exactly what he did. So a decade(approx) later he runs to become Prime Minister and I'm all "He's perfect for the job based on hiis record". Unfortunately for me, I was in the Minority of that opinion. After a short stint as a Minority Prime Minister(severely handicapped), scandals involving some of his Party Members did his Government in and that was the end of him being PM.
Moral of the story: You just never know what will happen.
I agree that Obama seems the best candidate by far, but he could turn out to be a rather poor President. Electing a new Leader is always somewhat of a gamble and what may seem to be a great Leader may not turn out to be so.
Although not quite the same situation, I was quite excited when Paul Martin(Canadian Politics: Liberal Party)ran for Prime Minister here. This guy single handidly eliminated decades of Deficits and there have been (IIRC) 10 years of consecutive Budget Surplusses since. He did this after 8(ish) years of Conservative Party rule which preached Deficit Elimination, but failed to do so once Special Interest Groups began to protest proposed Funding Cuts. Martin said quite simply regarding Budget Cuts that he would stick to them, "Come Hell or high water" and that's exactly what he did. So a decade(approx) later he runs to become Prime Minister and I'm all "He's perfect for the job based on hiis record". Unfortunately for me, I was in the Minority of that opinion. After a short stint as a Minority Prime Minister(severely handicapped), scandals involving some of his Party Members did his Government in and that was the end of him being PM.
Moral of the story: You just never know what will happen.
Atomic Playboy
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FYI, prior to George HW Bush in 1988, the last sitting vice president to mount a successful presidential run was Martin van Buren in 1836. Given that history, it is very unlikely that a sitting vice president will be guaranteed the presidency.
There are very good reasons for the limit. Imagine a 2000 Florida-style recount battle after EVERY election, over everything from mechanical errors to bribery and corruption. Or worse, imagine its January 2009 and the Bush administration is beginning its third term...would you not wonder if the election had been rigged? Or worse, despair so much over the potential disasters Bush could push us into over the next 4-8 years that you're willing to start a riot?
Atomic Playboy
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Originally posted by: jonks
Well technically yes, but several VPs after him who assumed the presidency were reelected. Not their fault their bosses died, were killed, or resigned
True, but in the event of Obama's death, jpeyton's claim of 16 years would seem a bit arbitrary, unless Obama died in the last year of his second term and his veep was eligible to be reelected twice... And now we're really grasping, because that scenario has never occurred in American history.
lupi
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We already have one idiot posting numbers that he doesn't respect, don't need any later coming copycats.
Besides, there were more casualties during the training phases for Overlord than on the day itself, so when you have a clue about US casualties then join the discussion.
Capt Caveman
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I think all politicians should be limited to 4 years in office, period. We don't need two term presidents and we don't need career politicians. Give them a chance to get in, make their mark and then get the fuck out.
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