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Obama: Marijuana no more dangerous than alcohol

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SlickSnake said:
They will probably legalize weed in Texas for the tax revenue before they are forced to allow gay marriages by the supreme court. Because it's too far to drive to Colorado now just to get some blow, you know? But I can still get blown in Texas, I just can't marry the blower.
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Thats exactly how i feel. Other states are watching WA and CO closely over this. If it goes smoothly (which so far it has) then the state is going to 1) Lower costs related to enforcing laws surrounding Marijuana and 2) Generate a shit ton more tax money.

And since we all know all politicians care about is money....

on a personal level, i could care less. I saw make it legal federally and tax it like alcohol and cigarettes are taxed.
 
I would like to see alcohol made a schedule 1 drug and the govt go after alcohol users as hard as they've gone after drug users.

not serious. But sort of. Most of the alcohol drinkers have contempt for pot smokers, and usually go back to "its illegal. what sort of character does someone have that is a lawbreaker?"
 
Marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol. obama is still an idiot and hypocrite though since he himself smoked it yet goes after people who use them.
 
Attic said:
SNIP
Weed is dangerous/damaging to a developing brain. It's been proven that developing brains suffer when exposed to THC. I doubt anyone here would understand that and what their kids having much to do with it before they're late 20's.

Marijauna should be legal is a hard one to frame given the proven science of the damage it does to a brain up through 18-24 years of age. SNIP

SNIP marijuana use and peoples right to use it and the danger it poses to developing brains.
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What facts do you rely on for these claims?
 
destey said:
I would like to see alcohol made a schedule 1 drug and the govt go after alcohol users as hard as they've gone after drug users.

not serious. But sort of. Most of the alcohol drinkers have contempt for pot smokers, and usually go back to "its illegal. what sort of character does someone have that is a lawbreaker?"
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Leave my people alone!!!!:'(
 
FerrelGeek said:
Obama's a statist. He'd never agree to the bolded part.
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Heh. Observe the facts, please. In current handling of Washington & Colorado, he's done exactly what you said he wouldn't do.

The only federal marijuana enforcement we'll see in either state will be against ops that are illegal at both the state & federal level, ops that export wholesale marijuana or trans-ship through the state.
 
if you desire to intoxicate you have a problem. booze / dope / it's all the same. It's a symptom of a greater problem.
 
IGBT said:
if you desire to intoxicate you have a problem. booze / dope / it's all the same. It's a symptom of a greater problem.
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Intoxicants have been part of the human condition from before the dawn of History. It's part of who & what we are as a species. Cannabis is probably the most benign among those widely used.
 
Jhhnn said:
There's always a way to put negative spin on it, huh?
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Spin? This is politics 101 as practiced by both sides of the aisle; and most of the western world for that matter. If Obama honestly believes what he said about Marijuana then great, but rest assured there are reasons he's only bringing it up now.

You want an example of spin, check out the line from Obama's initial statement concerning the NSA leaks a few months ago, where he said he "welcomed the conversation." Yeah, he welcomed it so much it only took one of the biggest leaks in American history for him to not-start it. 😛
 
IGBT said:
if you desire to intoxicate you have a problem. booze / dope / it's all the same. It's a symptom of a greater problem.
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On the contrary, studies have shown cannabinoids can be very beneficial to one's physical and mental well-being. All one needs to do to find this is browse the Wikipedia pages on individual cannabinoids. But the risks of starting before the brain is fully developed can outweigh those benefits, so I suggest teens and young adults hold off before making it even close to a regular activity.

Marijuana can also be quite mind-expanding if you use it with that intention. I know using "expand" and "mind" in the same sentence usually confuses those that aren't experienced with it, so I'll forgive you if you don't understand. (Do some research on well known scientists that used psychedelics for these reasons and were not shy to tout the potential benefits.)

Thinking that these substances are "all the same" is way too much of a simplification and a symptom of ignorance and thick headedness.
 
hans030390 said:
But the risks of starting before the brain is fully developed can outweigh those benefits, so I suggest teens and young adults hold off before making it even close to a regular activity.
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So our dear leader, who started his drug habits before his brain was fully developed, is sharing his opinion of a drug that affected his brain before it was fully developed. Niiice.
 
boomerang said:
So our dear leader, who started his drug habits before his brain was fully developed, is sharing his opinion of a drug that affected his brain before it was fully developed. Niiice.
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Do you have anything to offer other than cheap shots at your president? That was pretty low and disrespectful on your part.
 
irishScott said:
Spin? This is politics 101 as practiced by both sides of the aisle; and most of the western world for that matter.
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No, it's politics as practiced by the American right wing. Just tear down the opposition, particularly when you've got nothing else.

It's just a way to avoid the issue by substituting mud slinging.

It's not like conservatives have applied their Freedom! Personal Responsibility! States' Rights! Smaller less intrusive government! rhetoric to the issue of cannabis legalization, is it?

Of course not. They just tear down Obama regardless of the position Obama takes, spread the FUD as thick as possible.
 
hans030390 said:
On the contrary, studies have shown cannabinoids can be very beneficial to one's physical and mental well-being. All one needs to do to find this is browse the Wikipedia pages on individual cannabinoids. But the risks of starting before the brain is fully developed can outweigh those benefits, so I suggest teens and young adults hold off before making it even close to a regular activity.
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"Can" being the operative word in that, correct?

Given the long history of cannabis use by humans and by people in this country over the last 50 years or so, I'd think there would be real world evidence to support the idea of "risk" if it were real.

Show me.
 
Jhhnn said:
No, it's politics as practiced by the American right wing. Just tear down the opposition, particularly when you've got nothing else.

It's just a way to avoid the issue by substituting mud slinging.

It's not like conservatives have applied their Freedom! Personal Responsibility! States' Rights! Smaller less intrusive government! rhetoric to the issue of cannabis legalization, is it?

Of course not. They just tear down Obama regardless of the position Obama takes, spread the FUD as thick as possible.
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So you're accusing me, a guy who voted Democrat as recently as last November, of being right wing? Lol keep trying.

A democratically elected politician who goes through a string of controversies that damage his reputation, as Obama has (you can't deny that his approval numbers have nose-dived), attempts to shore-up his reputation and re-gain some support by taking a number of popular positions. He's attempting to use popular opinion to distract from his controversies and regain momentum. Believe it or not, politicians on both sides practice politics, and this particular tactic can be observed as far back as ancient fucking Greece. Probably further if you really want to look into it.
 
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boomerang said:
I hope he doesn't take the time to do so. I just came up with tons of information using the same Google that is available to you.
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You can't do it either, apparently.

Those making allegations of harm carry the obligation to demonstrate such harm. Otherwise, it's mere speculation & should not be regarded as fact.
 
It is interesting to watch the conservatives on here desperately trying to hate on Obama despite the fact that he is clearly 1.) stating the obvious truth and 2.) basically saying we should reduce government intervention in people's lives, a fundamental conservative position.

You guys can't ditch the ODS even when he is on your side. That is some powerful crazy.
 
irishScott said:
So you're accusing me, a guy who voted Democrat as recently as last November, of being right wing? Lol keep trying.

A democratically elected politician who goes through a string of controversies that damage his reputation, as Obama has (you can't deny that his approval numbers have nose-dived), attempts to shore-up his reputation and re-gain some support by taking a number of popular positions. He's attempting to use popular opinion to distract from his controversies and regain momentum. Believe it or not, politicians on both sides practice politics, and this particular tactic can be observed as far back as ancient fucking Greece. Probably further if you really want to look into it.
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None of which changes the fact that I believe he's come down on the right side of the issue. I don't really care how he got there, because I believe that the facts will lead any truly rational person to the same acceptance of legalization.

Speaking of which, I don't recall you expressing your own position. If you're pro legalization, then tearing down powerful like minded allies is self defeating. If you're in favor of prohibition, then you're just concern trolling.

Care to clarify?
 
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