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Obama: Marijuana no more dangerous than alcohol

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IGBT said:
if you desire to intoxicate you have a problem. booze / dope / it's all the same. It's a symptom of a greater problem.
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If you have a desire to give a shit about what people put into their own bodies, it's a symptom that you have greater problems than the people you say have greater problems.
 
I wonder how the federal enforcement agencies like the DEA are going to get involved, ie- interstate transportation, etc. and how organized crime influence will be mitigated at the state/federal levels.

It's kind'a interesting how this will all unfold and look, say some 10-20 years down the road.
 
Jhhnn said:
None of which changes the fact that I believe he's come down on the right side of the issue. I don't really care how he got there, because I believe that the facts will lead any truly rational person to the same acceptance of legalization.

Speaking of which, I don't recall you expressing your own position. If you're pro legalization, then tearing down powerful like minded allies is self defeating. If you're in favor of prohibition, then you're just concern trolling.

Care to clarify?
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I'm pro-legalization, I just see Obama's support as lukewarm at best. The moment it becomes advantageous for him to drop the issue, he will. But it doesn't really matter, Marijuana legalization is coming steadily with or without his support.
 
irishScott said:
I'm pro-legalization, I just see Obama's support as lukewarm at best. The moment it becomes advantageous for him to drop the issue, he will. But it doesn't really matter, Marijuana legalization is coming steadily with or without his support.
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Legalization is coming because of PROGRESSIVES. Please remember that. Conservatives are to blame for the war on drugs.
 
Attic said:
Safer is a stupid way to misrep the issue. Alcohol at a few drinks a week for an adult isn't dangerous. Marijauana isn't dangerous at that dose for a developed brain either.

The real motivation for bureaurats is tax revs and our prison system. Weed's legality affects both when it should affect neither.

Weed is dangerous/damaging to a developing brain. It's been proven that developing brains suffer when exposed to THC. I doubt anyone here would understand that and what their kids having much to do with it before they're late 20's.

Marijauna should be legal is a hard one to frame given the proven science of the damage it does to a brain up through 18-24 years of age. How can you make that legal? It will be because of tax revs and the good thing is that it will help curb the stupid arrests for weed related offenses. But legalizing it sends a confusing message to the youth.

Weed should be handled independently of alcohol that's all Obama needs to say to show he's aware and actually cares about the issue. Conflating the issue with the relative danger/safety to alcohol is a really cheap way to conflate the complicated issues surrounding marijuana use and peoples right to use it and the danger it poses to developing brains. I can see why pot supporters latch on to the weed/alcohol comparisons. Anything looks good next to DUI deaths and asshole drunks.
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Same as alcohol, yo.

Of what are you trying to convince anyone?
 
bshole said:
Legalization is coming because of PROGRESSIVES. Please remember that. Conservatives are to blame for the war on drugs.
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Yeah, and my gun rights are still around because of Conservatives. Both extremes are broken clocks right twice a day.

I propose a trade. Conservatives give a progressive they know a gun, preferably a fully featured "assault weapon" that the progressive can use for exposure therapy, wholesome recreation, and maybe even self defense. Progressives in return will give conservatives no less than 20 grams of choice weed so conservatives can chill the fuck out and legalize the stuff.
 
akahoovy said:
Conservatives should. I doubt Republicans will.
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I typically fall in line as a moderate (libertarian leaning) conservative republican.

Lately though, I rarely agree with many 'republicans'. As a conservative in some regards, I think regulation of cannabis to be a great idea.
 
bshole said:
Do you have anything to offer other than cheap shots at your president? That was pretty low and disrespectful on your part.
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The more his adult diaper fills, the more mad he gets at his President. Why is this so? He is one of the worst examples of a "conservative republican" we have represented here. He is a vile, hateful pig with no self responsibility, everything is someone else's fault. Typical of him and his pathetic ilk.
 
irishScott said:
I'm pro-legalization, I just see Obama's support as lukewarm at best. The moment it becomes advantageous for him to drop the issue, he will. But it doesn't really matter, Marijuana legalization is coming steadily with or without his support.
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As if the Admin's tacit support for legalization in Washington & Colorado is meaningless, as if it isn't a giant flashing green light for activists. They're holding the door open, practically inviting people to cross the threshold.

Just imagine the reaction of a law 'n order conservative Admin like several in the not too distant past.

Obama is playing it smart. By mostly just getting out of the way, he offers the usual suspects no target, stymies prohibitionist effort at the same time. Left to their own devices, the DEA would likely have been breaking the balls off of every one of Colorado's retail outlets from Jan 1. But that didn't happen, and there's only one explanation for it.

That's what will allow other states to follow along, render the whole thing irreversible by 2017. Amazing what one can accomplish with calculated inaction, huh?

Yeh, I know, you still hate-um Obama quite desperately & will bad mouth him no matter what he does. If he dropped dead, you'd claim he left the nation leaderless.
 
irishScott said:
Yeah, and my gun rights are still around because of Conservatives. Both extremes are broken clocks right twice a day.

I propose a trade. Conservatives give a progressive they know a gun, preferably a fully featured "assault weapon" that the progressive can use for exposure therapy, wholesome recreation, and maybe even self defense. Progressives in return will give conservatives no less than 20 grams of choice weed so conservatives can chill the fuck out and legalize the stuff.
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OK, so who do you trust more:

An anti-gun liberal gorked on primo pot (high tolerance) and shooting an assault rifle (no skills) for the first time,

Or an "anti-doper" cultural conservative gorked on bud (first time ever), shooting an assault rifle (daily shooter)?


:hmm:

this one is tough, I must say.
 
zinfamous said:
OK, so who do you trust more:

An anti-gun liberal gorked on primo pot (high tolerance) and shooting an assault rifle (no skills) for the first time,

Or an "anti-doper" cultural conservative gorked on bud (first time ever), shooting an assault rifle (daily shooter)?


:hmm:

this one is tough, I must say.
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Must..resist...head..exploding.... *mmmph*
 
zinfamous said:
OK, so who do you trust more:

An anti-gun liberal gorked on primo pot (high tolerance) and shooting an assault rifle (no skills) for the first time,

Or an "anti-doper" cultural conservative gorked on bud (first time ever), shooting an assault rifle (daily shooter)?


:hmm:

this one is tough, I must say.
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Neither. They both want to control some aspect of your personal life.
 
Meh, my view on pot is tainted...mostly by the fact that I can't stand smokers in general.

I also can't get over the fact that people refuse to acknowledge/admit that smoking weed has many of the same carcinogens as tobacco. People compare smoking weed to drinking water.

"OMG IT IS TEH CURE ALL. I R NO HAVE PAIN ANYMORE. SCREW BIG PHARMA"

and

"OMG Currupt the youth! It will make you crazy! Kill/eat the babbies!"

Idiots on both sides. I just hate the smell of any smoke that isn't BBQ 🙂
 
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umbrella39 said:
The more his adult diaper fills, the more mad he gets at his President. Why is this so? He is one of the worst examples of a "conservative republican" we have represented here. He is a vile, hateful pig with no self responsibility, everything is someone else's fault. Typical of him and his pathetic ilk.
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The same can be said of you since you also insult those who dare disagree with you.
 
BlitzPuppet said:
Meh, my view on pot is tainted...mostly by the fact that I can't stand smokers in general.

I also can't get over the fact that people refuse to acknowledge/admit that smoking weed has many of the same carcinogens as tobacco. People compare smoking weed to drinking water.

"OMG IT IS TEH CURE ALL. I R NO HAVE PAIN ANYMORE. SCREW BIG PHARMA"

and

"OMG Currupt the youth! It will make you crazy! Kill/eat the babbies!"

Idiots on both sides. I just hate the smell of any smoke that isn't BBQ 🙂
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POT neq smoking. You can eat it, vaporize it, etc.

So you just don't like smokers in general. It's nothing to do with pot itself. That I totally understand. Like you said, your view on it is skewed.

Also, cannabis does NOT have many of the same carcinogens as tobacco. In fact, cannabis itself is not toxic. Only when you smoke it are some carcinogenic particles introduced; which is a function of burning stuff, not weed. You'll get carcinogens if you burn newspaper, leaves, etc. Lastly, even still, smoked cannabis isn't even on the same page as smoked tobacco. Comparing the two 'just because they are smoked' is like comparing koolaid to vodka just because they both get drank.

Ever notice that nobody gets lung cancer from smoking pot? Did you know that even long term, habitual cannabis smoking doesn't impact lung function? You can smoke pot everyday for 25 years and it won't make you breath any worse. In fact, it might help!
 
TechBoyJK said:
POT neq smoking. You can eat it, vaporize it, etc.

So you just don't like smokers in general. It's nothing to do with pot itself. That I totally understand. Like you said, your view on it is skewed.

Also, cannabis does NOT have many of the same carcinogens as tobacco. In fact, cannabis itself is not toxic. Only when you smoke it are some carcinogenic particles introduced; which is a function of burning stuff, not weed. You'll get carcinogens if you burn newspaper, leaves, etc. Lastly, even still, smoked cannabis isn't even on the same page as smoked tobacco. Comparing the two 'just because they are smoked' is like comparing koolaid to vodka just because they both get drank.

Ever notice that nobody gets lung cancer from smoking pot? Did you know that even long term, habitual cannabis smoking doesn't impact lung function? You can smoke pot everyday for 25 years and it won't make you breath any worse. In fact, it might help!
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Yes, I know it can be taken multiple other ways.....BUT it is tainted to me just because I don't like smokers. Plain and simple.

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/can...tions/does-smoking-cannabis-cause-cancer#carc

Never deal in absolutes.
 
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