Obama inherited a fiscal disaster. Now what?

DealMonkey

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I knew things were in the shitter economically, but I don't think the average American understands exactly HOW bad things really are. For example, did you know that your per capita share of America's total obligations, including entitlements, is more than $184,000 each? Holy debt-loads Batman, that's about 1/2 million bucks for the average American family. How does that feel?

Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?

WTF did he spend that on?

Anyway, read on, some interesting stuff, especially with regards to the possibility that our AAA credit rating might be dinged as soon as 2012 as a result of this fiscal melt-down.

Obama inherited a fiscal disaster. Now what?
Without swift action, gargantuan debts could soon destroy Uncle Sam's credit rating.


WASHINGTON - Few Americans have any idea how bad the financial problems are that President Obama inherited from the Bush administration. Never mind the housing bubble, the bank meltdown, or the bailout scandals ? I am talking about the failure of federal government to honestly account either for its own actions or for America's most important programs: Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

George W. Bush took office after three years of budget surpluses under President Bill Clinton. Eight years later, Obama walked into the Oval Office to find ? gift-wrapped with a bow, as he recently joked ? almost $11 trillion in Treasury debt, and deficits of more than $1 trillion a year for the foreseeable future. That's a $30,000 burden on every man, woman, and child in America, on top of the taxes they are already paying. Under better management, that number could have been zero.

If this weren't bad enough, President Bush's financial legacy is marred by other fundamental problems. Bush's team borrowed more than $1 trillion from the Social Security "trust fund" and seemed to spend it on everything except Social Security. Like Blanche DuBois in Tennessee Williams's "Streetcar Named Desire," Social Security now depends on the kindness of strangers ? namely, future taxpayers and foreign lenders.

Worse, the Bush administration refused to tell the public about the extraordinary underfunding or overpromising of our major entitlement programs. According to an audited Treasury report, Medicare is $34 trillion in the hole and Social Security is another $13 trillion. We don't even know how to measure Medicaid's problems, but some estimates put the shortfall around $30 trillion. To put this in perspective, the entire fiscal gap for America is at least four times as great as our total annual gross domestic product.

The US Treasury's Financial Report of the US Government is the key document for understanding these problems because it is the only place where Uncle Sam uses real accounting and audited numbers, just as every major company, charity, or state or local government is required to do by law. It is released every Dec. 15, and is available on the Treasury website. Until now, you have probably never heard of the Financial Report.

To its credit, the Obama White House has added a link to the Financial Report on its website, a step the Bush administration never took. The report will tell you that the per capita share of America's total obligations, including entitlements, is more than $184,000 each. The typical American family's share is roughly half a million dollars.

The truth hurts. But the real news is that the 2008 fiscal gap was more than $3 trillion and worsening fast due to our entitlement problems. Hardly any reporter covered this story. And this was before the cost of economic recovery or shoring up our financial system. Including these costs, the 2009 fiscal gap could approach $5 trillion.

Whether due to tradition, inertia, or ignorance, Uncle Sam refuses to weigh himself on an honest scale. It's a decision with serious consequences.

Two leading credit rating agencies on Wall Street, Standard & Poor's and Moody's, projected ? while Bush was still president ? that the US Treasury bond could lose its AAA rating as soon as 2012. If we allow this projection to come true, the US will have plummeted from the prospect of being debt-free to destroying its credit rating in only eight years.

Standard & Poor's was unusually specific in its projection. It said that the US could have the same credit rating as Estonia or Greece by 2015, Poland or Mexico by 2020, and Panama by 2025. Panama's debt is below investment grade; it's junk. How can the greatest nation in the world be reduced to such comparisons? The answer is eight years of financial mismanagement.

The first rule of holes is to stop digging. President Bush not only failed to stop digging, he used a power shovel. The giant task of the Obama administration will be to build a tall enough ladder to help us climb out. This is a job that will take many years ? perhaps decades.

The construction project starts Feb. 23, when Obama is expected to host a fiscal responsibility summit at the White House. His first challenge will be to explain the massive scope of the problem; next, he will have to convince Americans that he wants to preserve and strengthen the social safety net, not weaken it, as naysayers claim. Finally, Republicans and Democrats will have to agree to share some sacrifice. Nothing is off-limits: taxes and spending must both be on the table.

I have proposed forming a bipartisan fiscal reform commission that would hold public meetings around the country and then propose a framework for tax and entitlement reform. The chief virtue of the commission approach is that it starts the clock: If Congress, or the White House, has another solution, it will be considered alongside the commission's proposal.

What matters is that we solve these problems, which grow worse every day. All good-faith ideas must be welcomed.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0218/p09s02-coop.html
 

CADsortaGUY

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Fiscal disaster? Yeah, I have an idea on how to fix that... lets F'n sign a 787BILLION dollar pork bill... That'll help our fiscal "disaster" situation.

BTW, the SS "trust fund" doesn't exist and the money is always "borrowed" from it and put in the general fund. The SS "trust fund" doesn't actually ever hold money anymore.
 

Genx87

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These are including future payments. I guess we could extend it out 1000 years and say everybody owes 30,000,000.

Secondly this article is highly intelecctually dishonest. We have been raiding the SS surplus for decades. Or does he believe those surplus's Bush inherited were legitimate? He also acts as if the problems of SS suddenly appeared under Bush. What a dumbass.

Worse, the Bush administration refused to tell the public about the extraordinary underfunding or overpromising of our major entitlement programs. According to an audited Treasury report, Medicare is $34 trillion in the hole and Social Security is another $13 trillion. We don't even know how to measure Medicaid's problems, but some estimates put the shortfall around $30 trillion. To put this in perspective, the entire fiscal gap for America is at least four times as great as our total annual gross domestic product.

What a lie. WTF was Bush doing in 05 when he tried to work on SS? Was this guy out to lunch, head in the sand, tuned out?

Glad this dumbass finally woke up to an issue that has been on the table for the past 30 years.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Fiscal disaster? Yeah, I have an idea on how to fix that... lets F'n sign a 787BILLION dollar pork bill... That'll help our fiscal "disaster" situation.

BTW, the SS "trust fund" doesn't exist and the money is always "borrowed" from it and put in the general fund. The SS "trust fund" doesn't actually ever hold money anymore.

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dahunan

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home
 

jpeyton

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Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.

Dont worry we will have Obama to tank for the next 2-3 trillion in his first 2 years. Hopefully the American public will speak again in 2010 and split the legislative and executive branches. Think we would learn after nearly a decade of disgusting spending.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?
 

dahunan

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^^^ I know this consipiracy believer.. who said.. the Republicans didn't want to win this election so when the country falls into a depression that it cannot rise out of then they just blame X Democrat and get voted back in... when the genius of it was.. they tanked America..
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
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Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?

WTF did he spend that on?

Spending is controlled by Congress, the legislative Branch, not the Executive Branch. Moreover, Congressional budgets etc are public record and there is plenty of info on the subject (assuming that this was not just a rhetorical question)


Worse, the Bush administration refused to tell the public about the extraordinary underfunding or overpromising of our major entitlement programs.

Here again, entitlement programs are controlled by Congress, not the President etc

Aside from the erroneous and 'hackster' quality of the article, it's not just the USA that is in financial problem - it's the whole world.

The EU looks to much worse off than us here in the USA. Google around a bit - you'll see that while EU banks don't have domestic mortgage problems like us, they do have $11 trillion in outstanding domestic commercial (business) loans coming due with no real hope for these companies to refinance or even pay off given their current economic situation. Then there's the whole eastern Europe problem. The EU banks DID do aggressive home mortgage lending there in larger amounts and at higher leverage ratios than our banks here. I.e., they're more f%$k'd than us.

Fern
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.

Hint: they want less spending. Not another wasted $787 billion.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu

I hit a soft spot, huh?

I was simply pointing out that calling others stupid while typing like a deranged 16 year old is quite funny. Sorry to offend.

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu

I hit a soft spot, huh?

I was simply pointing out that calling others stupid while typing like a deranged 16 year old is quite funny. Sorry to offend.


You didn't offend me at all... I was pissed because you took a very serious topic and completely dismissed it because you didn't like the punctuation or found a way to make a stupid fucking joke when your president stole $1,000,000,000,000 from Americans .. not even counting his fucked up stimulus plans right before he left office.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu

I hit a soft spot, huh?

I was simply pointing out that calling others stupid while typing like a deranged 16 year old is quite funny. Sorry to offend.


You didn't offend me at all... I was pissed because you took a very serious topic and completely dismissed it because you didn't like the punctuation or found a way to make a stupid fucking joke when your president stole $1,000,000,000,000 from Americans .. not even counting his fucked up stimulus plans right before he left office.


How do you feel about the Obama stimulus?

Who do you think controlled the congress for every spending bill since 2006, along with both "stimulus" packages?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu
You mean you had no idea the bitter Wing Nutz wouldn't jump all over this?
 

daniel49

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If this article leaned anymore to the left the hole forum would tip over.
Bush was definately a big spender a fiscal conservative he was not. Obama will put it into perspective however. If the just signed Porkulous Bill written by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi is an example of his leadership for the next four years, "You ain't seen nothing yet"
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu
You mean you had no idea the bitter Wing Nutz wouldn't jump all over this?
The OP sounds the bitterest of all in this thread. After reading his partisan whining/trolling based on distorted and cherry-picked facts there's an overwhelming urge to phone Conjur's wahmbulance for him.
 

dahunan

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^^^ $1,000,000,000,000 doesn't make you bitter? Not even counting the TARP and other BS as he was leaving office.. lol
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The OP sounds the bitterest of all in this thread. After reading his partisan whining/trolling based on distorted and cherry-picked facts there's an overwhelming urge to phone Conjur's wahmbulance for him.

Oh? Where were you in the threads concerning whether Obama's got the thermostat "cranked up" or perhaps the other whine-fest about where Obama went for V-Day?

At least I pick relevant shit to be upset about.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?



My buddy told me about this and he thought it was one of the greatest heists in all of mankind.. lol.. Said they stole from the future..

Said IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE PAID BACK

but all those stupid religious senior citizens jumped up and voted for him like HE was the messiah.. gonna save them from TEH GAYZ... while ROBBING THEM BLIND

and loling all the way home

Do those stupid senior citizens know how to use punctuation and grammar?

What next, you become a spelling nazi or repost nazi? Why are you such a little bitch sometimes?? Reply to topics and information or just stfu

I hit a soft spot, huh?

I was simply pointing out that calling others stupid while typing like a deranged 16 year old is quite funny. Sorry to offend.


You didn't offend me at all... I was pissed because you took a very serious topic and completely dismissed it because you didn't like the punctuation or found a way to make a stupid fucking joke when your president stole $1,000,000,000,000 from Americans .. not even counting his fucked up stimulus plans right before he left office.


How do you feel about the Obama stimulus?

Who do you think controlled the congress for every spending bill since 2006, along with both "stimulus" packages?

You avoided these questions, still waiting.

 

StageLeft

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You used that silly $55Trillion figure to come up with the 184k, which is disingenuous. The US' debt is about $10 T, not 55, regardless of future debt, unless you consider yourself in debt based on a cable bill you'll have to pay in 2025.

Anyway, it looks like if the US' credit rating is killed so will other countries', in which case it's a bit of a wash for the US, isn't it? It would be very inflationary, though.
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.
Bush was a terrible president, but don't you realize that the US is on pace now to probably do that same damage of debt in a couple of years or less? It's really stepped up its efforts, hasn't it?