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Obama halts controversial EPA regulation

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Genx87 said:
So what you are saying is politics arent static? I am shocked, TOTALLY SHOCKED!

And you need to pull your head out of your ass. Did or didnt the federal govt double under Bush? Please tell me which "right wing" are you attributing that to? RINOs, Palin, Newt, Obama?

You getting this yet?
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My point is that while someone Ausm is indeed left wing, he's not really that far left. Trying to compare him to someone who was known for being far left is ridiculous. The left hasn't moved any further left in the past 2 decades, but the right has moved further and further right making the divide bigger.
 
Vic Vega said:
The partisanship will never end on this forum.

It's almost tribal like, very primitive.
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What if one side were far more partisan than the other?

Would your centrist head explode before accepting that?

There's your 'centrist partisanship'.

Do you recognize that one? I'm guessing not, centrists can't be partisan?
 
Either the Clean Air Act requires the new regulation or it doesn't. As the article points out, the American Lung Association will continue litigating the case. Obama may be able to get the sound bite today and then lose in court (which is likely anyway given that the administration is on record extoling the virtues of the proposed regulation) so that the new regulation may go into effect in compliance with the law under court order while Obama can say he tried to stop it. The 2012 campaign is well under way. Obama on jobs: "I tried to stop ornorous regulation." Obama on health: "Under my administration tough new regs were implemented to make our air cleaner." Win-win.
 
Craig234 said:
What if one side were far more partisan than the other?
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I'm sure you have a particular side in mind, Idiot234. Just be careful where you throw that blame. Look at the moron who said just a while ago in this very thread that conservatives are wrong about everything. Hell, you say the same.
 
Ausm said:
I wouldn't consider trying to show how President Obama once again reaches out to the right with most likely the same results Partisanship.
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Jeebus, Obama's not "reaching out to the right".

He's realizing he can't do anything to hurt the economy/jobs, it's not good for the nation now, or his reelection chances.

Fern
 
Genx87 said:
He is taking a realistic approach. Realizing saddling business with more cost wont create jobs.

That said it is childish to suggest he switch teams because he wont side with your positions 100%.
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An even more realistic approach is to realize that greater profit won't create jobs, either, because there's a lack of demand due to... Unemployment and the massive debt overhang of the Ownership Society. Greater profits don't translate into the kind of demand we need, but rather just into asset inflation and hoarding of liquidity.

Obama hasn't yet discovered that giving in to Repubs is like feeding the bears at the campground. It's not like they want to improve the campground, at all, but rather just to feed their greedy faces... and they're dangerous when they don't get that.
 
Fern said:
Jeebus, Obama's not "reaching out to the right".

He's realizing he can't do anything to hurt the economy/jobs, it's not good for the nation now, or his reelection chances.

Fern
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Have I mentioned lately you're the biggest apologist on the forum?

He's not reaching out to the right, he's 'selling out' to the corporatocracy.
 
I LOVE the article on CNN web and the statement from the business world.
Basically saying, "we have done a lot and been successful at improving the environment, thus further spending on this would be of little use".
Not word for word, but basically business interests claim no more than has already been done, can be done.
I guess that warrants the three little letter expression of... LOL

Either we all must be truly living on Mars, or living in hell, when society believes no more can to be done to protect our health. Naturally the business interest believe both, that we live on Mars and they have a free pass to create hell on earth.

And Obama?.... I think we are all tired of defending him at this point. He has become inconsequential.
 
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Fern said:
Jeebus, Obama's not "reaching out to the right".

He's realizing he can't do anything to hurt the economy/jobs, it's not good for the nation now, or his reelection chances.

Fern
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When the chamber of Commerce falls all over themselves to congratulate Obama
on looking the other way on this legislation...I call this a GIFT to the Koch bros and the Right Wing.

It is once again his way of reaching out to the Right and kicking his base in the balls.
 
But that was little consolation for many of the president's supporters. The group MoveOn.org issued a scathing statement, saying Obama's decision was one it would have expected from his Republican predecessor.

"Many MoveOn members are wondering today how they can ever work for President Obama's re-election, or make the case for him to their neighbors, when he does something like this, after extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and giving in to tea party demands on the debt deal," said Justin Ruben, the group's executive director.
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More trouble for his 2012 campaign.
 
Even Obama knows these EPA regulations are just gonna kick corporation while its already laying on the ground from this economy. It just proves how nutty these greens are when the former most Liberal senator won't even sign off on this.
 
Obama does one small thing right. Now he needs to start hacking away at the EPA. Until he does things that gets the economy moving, no sane person will support him.
 
What pisses me off is I'd still rather vote for Obama than anything the Repubs/Tea Party has put up.

Even with all that Obama has done to diss his own base, it's either him or some Repub that the Tea Party has sunk their fangs into.
 
Ausm said:
When the chamber of Commerce falls all over themselves to congratulate Obama
on looking the other way on this legislation...I call this a GIFT to the Koch bros and the Right Wing.

It is once again his way of reaching out to the Right and kicking his base in the balls.
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I'd say it's more an admission that punishing the wealthy and their corporations and making energy more expensive, while satisfying to the very far left on their own merits, also damage employment. And thus, an admission that if unemployment continues to get worse, as it has throughout his rule, he has scant chance of getting reelected. You should support him in this, as only if he is reelected can he continue to punish the wealthy and their corporations for another four years.

Personally I think it's great. I support the new EPA regulations, but not to the extent that I'm willing to give up jobs at this point to get them. Yes, corporate profits are at record levels; making their energy more expensive will not cause them to hire more people and will likely make them lay off more people. Causing older coal-fired power plants to be non-usable may require their owners to build new plants, but with cap-&-tax hanging over their heads, it's much more likely that they will simply close those plants, lay off those workers, write off those losses against profits, and wait and see what happens. And of course, not all companies have record profits; that's mostly those with manufacturing outsourced to China et al. Most small to medium companies are struggling, and higher energy costs may make them either unable to stay in business, or unattractive to keep running considering the return on investment.
 
thraashman said:
My point is that while someone Ausm is indeed left wing, he's not really that far left. Trying to compare him to someone who was known for being far left is ridiculous. The left hasn't moved any further left in the past 2 decades, but the right has moved further and further right making the divide bigger.
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You're kidding, right? The left hasn't gone farther left? Not even a smidge? Sure, it is everyone else's fault. 🙄
 
My brother, who is in the Oil Business, explained to me that Obama backed down, because he realizes there are boom times in oil today.

It's pretty sick, we have to rape nature and fossil fuels, for jobs.

-John
 
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