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Obama had Trumps phone tapped?

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Younigue said:
That's true but many conservatives have been for the past months been supporting him. That's who I thought you were talking about.
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Yes, trump-putin BFF 5EVER was the trailblazer for conservative-russian relations. Just look at them falling over each other now sticking up for mother russia.
 
werepossum said:
I agree, leaking a recorded phone call involving a US citizen is illegal. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. Hacking the DNC was also illegal and I've very glad it happened. Draining the swamp involves lifting rocks and shining the light on the scurrying cockroaches, to badly mix a metaphor, and whether or not lifting that particular rock is legal it's certainly a good thing for the nation. I like Flynn and frankly could not care less if he talked to the Russians about sanctions, but he lied to the FBI; ergo he must be kicked out. Can't have people in power who are above the law, and if it takes a felony to produce the necessary political will to do that, so be it. I can only hope the felon remains uncaught since he's done us a service here.

It's amusing that the Pubbies are now doing the exact same thing the Dems did - trying to make the leak the story instead of what the leak revealed. Didn't work then and it certainly isn't going to work now. People are smarter than that.
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Spin away. The DNC & Podesta hacks had nothing to do with national security per se. Publication was pure politics, contributing to the election of Trump as President. If you think that serves the interests of the nation you're out of your mind.

The Flynn situation is entirely different. Trump was informed weeks before finally shitcanning Flynn & did nothing. Only kinda publicizing the situation prompted him to act. We still don't know exactly what was said & likely never will. He was obviously much too well connected to the Russians to serve as national security advisor. Notions to the contrary are absurd. Trump's failure to act in a timely fashion indicates that he's either incompetent or complicit, take your pick.
 
Jhhnn said:
Spin away. The DNC & Podesta hacks had nothing to do with national security per se. Publication was pure politics, contributing to the election of Trump as President. If you think that serves the interests of the nation you're out of your mind.

The Flynn situation is entirely different. Trump was informed weeks before finally shitcanning Flynn & did nothing. Only kinda publicizing the situation prompted him to act. We still don't know exactly what was said & likely never will. He was obviously much too well connected to the Russians to serve as national security advisor. Notions to the contrary are absurd. Trump's failure to act in a timely fashion indicates that he's either incompetent or complicit, take your pick.
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Apparently Flynn was planning on kidnapping the outed leader of turkey or something.
 
cytg111 said:
Exactly this. Mend and heal instead of kicking someone when they're down...
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Yes, I'm concerned with all this celebrating. People being snarky to those willing to see the reality of this President and its Administration encourages them to pull back and remember why they hate anyone outside their party.

Trump and co. are hanging themselves, the rest of the party (moderates) should be willing witnesses and motivated obstructionists rather than reluctant supporters and complicit followers. I for one am absolutely willing to applaud anyone changing their mind about this President and its minions. I don't hate Republicans and never have but I despise this Administration and their Weasel... I'm struggling a bit with its blind full out devotees. I was an Obama fan but in no way did I think him flawless.
 
Younigue said:
Yes, I'm concerned with all this celebrating. People being snarky to those willing to see the reality of this President and its Administration encourages them to pull back and remember why they hate anyone outside their party.

Trump and co. are hanging themselves, the rest of the party (moderates) should be willing witnesses and motivated obstructionists rather than reluctant supporters and complicit followers. I for one am absolutely willing to applaud anyone changing their mind about this President and its minions. I don't hate Republicans and never have but I despise this Administration and their Weasel... I'm struggling a bit with its blind full out devotees. I was an Obama fan but in no way did I think him flawless.
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Excuse me, but Trump isn't an anomaly. He just took the Repub message & turned the volume up to eleven. Everything he's done & has proposed is right straight down the fringe raving side of he party line with exclamation points added.
 
Jhhnn said:
Excuse me, but Trump isn't an anomaly. He just took the Repub message & turned the volume up to eleven. Everything he's done & has proposed is right straight down the fringe raving side of he party line with exclamation points added.
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I don't think I suggested I agree with Republicans but the moderates can be reasonable when politicking (I just love using that word). The Kumquat Twat, his Twat Squad and the Freedom Caucus can not and will not be reasoned with. IMO they hate Americans and love the America they hope to one day have serving them.
 
werepossum said:
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It's amusing that the Pubbies are now doing the exact same thing the Dems did - trying to make the leak the story instead of what the leak revealed.
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What did the leak reveal? (He talked the Russian ambassador? BFG)

I know what Flynn has said about the phone call. But I haven't seen a transcript of it, so I IDK what was revealed. I know what is alleged by the Dems, but since they haven't seen the transcripts either I can't put any faith into their allegations.

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Flynn, when asked, is currently not answering the question of whether or not he is cooperating with the FBI and potentially flipping on DJT.
 
Fern said:
What did the leak reveal? (He talked the Russian ambassador? BFG)

I know what Flynn has said about the phone call. But I haven't seen a transcript of it, so I IDK what was revealed. I know what is alleged by the Dems, but since they haven't see the transcripts either I can't put any faith into their allegations.

Fern
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Given the unfolding situation and those who have volunteered to testify it might be a guessing game as you suggest but certainly a disconcerting and discouraging one.

With nothing to link to back it up I will say this, people like Manafort, Stone and Page won't volunteer to testify without a very real possibility that volunteering to do so will soon no longer be an option.

I don't need transcripts to know that something's stanky with the lot of them. Your defense of Flynn may feel like loyalty but the man resigned/was fired, he's not pure-as-the-driven-snow innocent. Are you waiting for the transcripts to determine the depth of your rage and sense of betrayal?
 
Younigue said:
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Your defense of Flynn may feel like loyalty but the man resigned/was fired, he's not pure-as-the-driven-snow innocent. Are you waiting for the transcripts to determine the depth of your rage and sense of betrayal?
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I offered no defense. Officials of an incoming administration are expected to speak to counterparts such as the Russian ambassador.

Yes, I will wait for the transcripts or other info before reacting. All we have to go on is what Flynn has said. Granted, that may be self serving but otherwise, we've got zip aside from alarmist innuendo. If recent politics doesn't teach one restraint in jumping to conclusion, I don't know what will.

Fern
 
Running out of rope.

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Thebobo said:
Yes he was, from the Wall Street Journal.

Ex-CIA Director: Mike Flynn and Turkish Officials Discussed Removal of Erdogan Foe From U.S.

Watch the Video

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@1:45 Half a mil or half a bill? The flowchart shows $530M but the narration is "half a million."
 
The whole saga may be Trump's preemptive gamble to warn critics and to avoid scrutiny of his corrupt entourage. In a sense he is making a statement that there is no one sacred enough for him to not go after if anyone dare to blow whistle on his (and his entourage's) illegal activities.
 
agent00f said:
Insightful how quickly conservatives' stance on Putin/Russia changed once it was clear he was helping Trump.
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Democrats dug up McCarthy back in 2013 when Obama pushed for a direct war against Syria, Republicans opposed war authorization, and Kerry let slip a diplomatic solution that Putin jumped on. The supposed collusion to stop war was most reviled and clearly a result of Putin worship. Your view that this history begins with Trump is ignorant at best.

*found our old Syrian topic, added link
 
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