Obama had Trumps phone tapped?

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DaveSimmons

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It's more crazy paranoid fake news, just like the "3 million illegal votes" that he's never given us the promised "evidence" for.

But this quote in an MSN article made me go "hmmm":

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...p-trump-tower/ar-AAnMKb8?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

"“It's highly unlikely there was a wiretap,” said one former senior intelligence official familiar with surveillance law who spoke candidly on the condition of anonymity. The former official continued: “It seems unthinkable. If that were the case by some chance, that means that a federal judge would have found that there was either probable cause that he had committed a crime or was an agent of a foreign power.

I doubt Trump is really an "agent" of Putin, but perhaps there were deals discussed, like "I let you take over Ukraine, you give me tax-free land for my Trump Hotel Moscow."
 

Thebobo

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It's more crazy paranoid fake news, just like the "3 million illegal votes" that he's never given us the promised "evidence" for.
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Yea where is the investigation into the 3 million illegal voters he promised to have?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I've seen yesterday's spot interviews -- "man/woman on the street" -- with sol-called-president Dick-Face's supporters.

That disgusting cornpone, ignorant, stupid, cerebrally--challenged brain-defective trash is unbelievable for their blindness and moral depravity.

Somebody suggested there is suddenly a bothersome worry in the so-called president's secret thoughts, because he has tweeted this business blaming Obama for phone-taps.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure. You won't be able to convince the clueless cornpone twits, but OF COURSE his phone was tapped, if there was a LEGAL and ACCEPTED tap on the phones of Russian suspects or known espionage actors. If it were a matter of the Patriot Act, there would have involvement of the special court that approves that sort of thing.

Phone taps on Residentura and other Russian individuals is a matter of routine. if they happened to be talking to Trump, that's his tough luck.

On the positive side, I e-mailed a "Thank you" to Obama in late November or early December, with an applause as well for VP Biden. [You can do things like this simply by going to the White House website -- but I have nothing nice to communicate after January 20.] I suggested that Obama likely began thinking of the statutes for "misprision of a felony." I was just worried that he hadn't thought out the endgame, since he let the whole matter slide until after the election, and doing so has a sieve of different possible consequences. Raising the matter before the election also has possible consequences, and any thinking American can understand that too.

So some several days ago, they announced that the Obama team had worked very hard to archive the accumulation of information, evidence and related artifacts before leaving office.

Folks? Given the absolutely unprecedented language, agenda, associates, incompetence and ignorance of the current "so-called president," Obama's attention to the facts and details just to anticipate the various consequences is heroic. I just hope it is all sufficient to expel the Anti-Christ, Putin-puppet, asshole and scum from the White House.

This is exactly what the Russians would have wanted in terms of "respect" for the American presidency and our respect for each other. Some few years ago, a retired KGB [or current-day equivalent] officer was quoted to say he predicted the US would split up into parts just as USSR had.

I had some thoughts about that as I recall, but just hoped it wasn't true. We'd been through 8 years of Bush and then another 8 years of hate from the cornpone white-trash scum supporting the Pied-Piper of Birtherism.

And I now think it's an acceptable outcome. If they are really that stupid, that blind, that biased -- they're not "good Americans" to me. But all of their cities are "Blue."

The only way to get an ignoramus to learn something is a repetitive narrative about the facts so they can congratulate themselves for figuring it out on their own. The last person to admit being ignorant is a stupid person, and I've heard a lot of stupid people advocating for Donald ScumF**k the Traitor.

And of course, the Russians had seen that all along. They probably had a team of demographers, sociologists and psychologists studying the US in great detail and then proposing different psy-war initiatives, techniques and approaches. The GOP loyalists have constantly argued "you can't prove it actually affected the outcome," because all they care about his keeping a grip on the White House. But in warfare, that's not the issue, but yes -- it could be proven. One would think that the Russians were also collecting statistical data as they proceeded through their psy-war campaign. "Is it having an effect here? Or there? How many percentage points change can be extrapolated from this or that survey result?'

Trump's behavior in this business is already an established pattern. He tipped his hand by publicly asking the Russians to hack Hillary -- albeit her personal server. They hacked the State Department. Every time the Russian matter comes up in news and conversation, Trump is there patting the Russians on the back to deflect attention from it. [But it drew attention, didn't it?] And every time some new twist appears on what Trump calls "fake news," he coins a new song-and-dance to make an accusing finger point the opposite direction.

So this is just a "tell" from a narcissist gambler that he's worried about his cell-phone history.

In other words, as a matter of probability, THERE . . . IS . . A 'THERE' THERE.
FISA court is appointed by SCOTUS, which is run by a Republican chief justice. If they signed off on a warrant to wire tap Trump, there was very likely probable cause that something treasonous was going on.

Forgetting Trump read this.



From official sources

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests.

If it is asked, it is given. I wouldn't stand on that as a guarantee any more than if you are arrested you are guilty.
 

Commodus

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Ugh... man. Unless Trump has and publishes / cites the evidence for his claims...
He is teetering on impeachment for sheer volatility and incompetence at this point. If he is really tweeting over Breitbart "news".

I suspect Republicans will keep Trump in power as long as whatever he does isn't so blatantly offensive/illegal that it threatens to sink the whole party. It's like knowingly driving a car on a bad, leaky tire for as long as possible -- you know you have to replace it, but your stubbornness won't let you do it until it's absolutely clear you have no choice. The Republicans are just hoping that the tire doesn't burst on the highway.
 
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Jhhnn

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Forgetting Trump read this.



From official sources

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests.

If it is asked, it is given. I wouldn't stand on that as a guarantee any more than if you are arrested you are guilty.

So what? If warrants were requested or issued that information is at the fingertips of our Chief Executive, Donald J Trump. He's also the chief classification authority as well.

He needs to put up or shut up & apologize. Probably not.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Forgetting Trump read this.



From official sources

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests.

If it is asked, it is given. I wouldn't stand on that as a guarantee any more than if you are arrested you are guilty.

That statistic is meaningless unless you can prove there was any abuse. Trump doesn't read. He has an 11th grader's reading and writing skills.

There likely didn't need to be a FISA request for the Russians, but Russian contact with Trump by telephone under those circumstances leaves Trump not a leg to stand on. If there was a FISA request, and it would have come from Comey's FBI, then it was legal, whether you get Chicken-Little about NSA meta-data or suddenly remember Andy Griffith's Mayberry Party Line.

Then there's "innocent until proven guilty." Try and argue that, when there is a looming possibility that the most powerful elected official in the country may be a threat to National Security.

Frankly, I think they should reinstate public hanging for treasonous offenses, and then feed the ceremony to every classroom TV in the Dis-United States -- grades 1 through 12.

There are so many dots to connect with this so far, it's hard to keep a straight face and argue that "maybe he did, maybe he didn't."

And everything Trump has said -- about the Russians, about the CIA and FBI, about what he or his aides did or didn't do -- adds a lot more flesh to the links between those dots.

The Trumpie man -- if not a Traitor to the United States -- is a Traitor to the Truth, to Common-Sense, and to the Human Race.

And I'll say this. If you can prove enough that there is a "There" there, and the Republicans don't expunge Trump, there will be civil war.
 

Jhhnn

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I suspect Republicans will keep Trump in power as long as whatever he does isn't so blatantly offensive/illegal that it threatens to sink the whole party. It's like knowingly driving a car on a bad, leaky tire for as long as possible -- you know you have to replace it, but your stubbornness won't let you do it until it's absolutely clear you have no choice. The Republicans are just hoping that the tire doesn't burst on the highway.

Trump stole their deliberately irrationalized base, something Repubs created over the last 20+ years. Those poor people don't think straight anymore & Trump capitalized on it ways Repub leaders hadn't imagined possible. So long as he commands that base he has the Repubs by the balls.

If it were a country other than my own I might even find some humor in it.
 

woolfe9998

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Just looked at clip from Fox & Friends. The usual conservative credulity about everything Trump tweets. "Oh look, this could be a game changer!" This is what conservatives listen to instead of mainstream news. No evidence required.
 

woolfe9998

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Yes, this exactly. He's either a crazed, ranting uncle or he's mistakenly opened his administration up to investigation by journalists, etc.

It's really sad when the only two possible answers are that he's insane or a moron.

Intel officials have stated there was no wiretap. I'm going with option A.
 

jmagg

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IMO, most at this point toggle between all the bs media and come to their own conclusions. The days of strict party lines are over.
 

woolfe9998

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Forgetting Trump read this.



From official sources

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests.

If it is asked, it is given. I wouldn't stand on that as a guarantee any more than if you are arrested you are guilty.

Right, what it means is that there was a showing of probable cause. It means there is some evidence of guilt. Not enough for a criminal conviction or they wouldn't need a warrant. Warrants are usually granted because law enforcement doesn't ask for them unless they think they have probable cause and they're familiar with what that means.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Just looked at clip from Fox & Friends. The usual conservative credulity about everything Trump tweets. "Oh look, this could be a game changer!" This is what conservatives listen to instead of mainstream news. No evidence required.

I used to give Fox equal viewing time, even if it put my TV at risk for an airborne beer-bottle.

It especially bothers me how it shows the public school system in the flyover states is a failure, and it's probably a failure just for "local control."

Some reading skills, critical thinking, a willingness to cross-verify from different sources, an understanding of scientific method, an observation of verifiable fact and an ability to apply inferential logic -- these aren't "partisan" issues.

Nor would their rectification be "Liberal propaganda." Personally? I think my country is lost, and the Russians finally won the Cold War -- which after all, has continued in subtle ways ever since Yeltsin stood on the tank.
 

woolfe9998

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I used to give Fox equal viewing time, even if it put my TV at risk for an airborne beer-bottle.

It especially bothers me how it shows the public school system in the flyover states is a failure, and it's probably a failure just for "local control."

Some reading skills, critical thinking, a willingness to cross-verify from different sources, an understanding of scientific method, an observation of verifiable fact and an ability to apply inferential logic -- these aren't "partisan" issues.

I think what you mean to say is that they shouldn't be partisan issues. I'm afraid this is a case where reality collides with ideals.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I think what you mean to say is that they shouldn't be partisan issues. I'm afraid this is a case where reality collides with ideals.
Are you saying that the cornpone twits cast them as "partisan issues" or liberal propaganda? Or that they are partisan issues in "positive" reality when they shouldn't be in the "normative" sense?

My cousin has voted Repub ever since Goldwater's campaign. He thinks it will be "good for his business." His "business" landed him in jail for grand theft, but the charges were dropped. He tried to interrupt my viewing of the Dem campaign event featuring the Khan Gold Star father, expecting me to walk him through Windows 10 installation for the third time in two days.

He's got some learning disability, as far as I can see. He keeps the Britannica "Great Books" in his house, but I don't think he's ever read any of them. And he gave me a book in Symbolic Logic -- a leftover artifact from when he dropped out of college.

I'm thinking the next time he calls here, I'm going to give him a "F*** You!" and hang up. I'm already taking all the fam-damn-ily Trumpers out of my Will and Living Trust. My own brother is dead to me.
 

Grooveriding

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If Obama ends up being attacked by a Trump fanatic who believes all the crazy conspiracy theories they soak up on alt-right websites, and from the piece of shit Trump himself, who will hold the orange turd accountable?

Trump is either a lunatic like his fanatics you see spamming social media and elsewhere, or he is a heinous shit that is willing to spread conspiracy theories he knows are false to try and protect himself.

His fanatics don't even care that Putin interfered with the election to help Trump. Hacking emails to give to wikileaks and bombarding them with fake news on social media. Even if his campaign had no involvement, which looks doubtful, that is still a damning indictment of Trump and his supporters. Their choice was so poor, and judgment so bad, that they picked the candidate Putin wanted to make America at its weakest. No wonder this is so hard for Trump fanatics, they helped Putin weaken America. Useful idiots.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Ok. But we can't change the past, its done. Today and in the near future we can hopefully stop this corrupt leader.

We did stop it. The choices for president were supposed to be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton, same old, same old. We elected Trump instead.
 

cytg111

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The Orange doufus
1. for fake news : birtherism, media and ads during campaign
2. against fake news : IC leaks all my secrets, CNN bad, thanks Obama.
3. for fake news : twitter amok vs. obama with no source.

Is he so delusional that he cant see its his own damned pattern?

If this is indeed a leak from the IC it might well be a reverse cowgirl aka a crazy ivan, a noose for the Orange Doufus to stick his own neck in... as he have done now so elegantly.
Lawsuits incoming? (it would be poetic justice if it was obama that ended up toppling the big OD)