Sheik Yerbouti
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jonks
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the only person spinning anything here is non-prof J
It's a rather basic/simple/elementary reaction to look at the total number of votes and say Obama barely did this or that.
Many states saw all-time highs in the number of voters registered and the number of voters that turned out - and if you can't see that or are unaware of that then troll threads like this should be kept to your closed-minded self.
Obama won every age group except for 65+ - when was the last time that happened?
How many previous elections had this many young voters actually show up to vote?
Now you are saying he was expected to be +8, and you are downplaying it by saying it's only plus 6?
More sad, pathetic, and simple-minded non-analysis from non-prof J.
It's a rather basic/simple/elementary reaction to look at the total number of votes and say Obama barely did this or that.
Many states saw all-time highs in the number of voters registered and the number of voters that turned out - and if you can't see that or are unaware of that then troll threads like this should be kept to your closed-minded self.
Obama won every age group except for 65+ - when was the last time that happened?
How many previous elections had this many young voters actually show up to vote?
Now you are saying he was expected to be +8, and you are downplaying it by saying it's only plus 6?
More sad, pathetic, and simple-minded non-analysis from non-prof J.
Why don't we wait till the counting is done? You're making these claims less than 24 hours after the polls have closed. You know counting takes days. CA has 3 million absentee ballots to go. In FL you can have your stuff turned in up to 10 days late. Get a grip. Electoral-Vote.com didn't release final 2004 results till December. Why don't we wait till then to talk?
Obama's at 63.5 million now. He did not UNDERPERFORM or OVERPERFORM. He performed where the polls had him. National polls are harder to run, but the electoral polls had him dead on. Well, the only difference might be Indiana, but if you looked at the futures and betting odds, In was closing more than the polls had the candidates at. The ground game told us In would likely swing Obama while the polls were locking in to dead even. Trending would tell you he had a good chance of winning, and hence the results today.
Obama's at 63.5 million now. He did not UNDERPERFORM or OVERPERFORM. He performed where the polls had him. National polls are harder to run, but the electoral polls had him dead on. Well, the only difference might be Indiana, but if you looked at the futures and betting odds, In was closing more than the polls had the candidates at. The ground game told us In would likely swing Obama while the polls were locking in to dead even. Trending would tell you he had a good chance of winning, and hence the results today.
zephyrprime
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The truth of the matter is, they are that way because of a LIFESTYLE choice rather than any logical reason.
If the BASE of the GOP is 4 million voters, then you have a sad party. MOST OF THE BASE came out. Get over it. I am the base, and I voted McCain. Most of the rest of the base came out. Of course there are idiots like you who decide to stay home and then you're now crying about technicalities because the math doesn't add up.
I can guarantee you half the voters in this country vote based on hype and can be easily persuaded through misinformation.
Obama made a better candidate than Kerry, and that's how you get the rest of the moderates. It's not that moderates/centrists abandoned McCain after voting Bush in 04, it's that they find the other side more appealing. Bam, that's it.
We got crushed yesterday ok? I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. I'm still amazed at the sheer number of people who came out for McCain though. There's plenty of us looking at the popular vote, but too bad it doesn't matter.
Fern
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I agree.
I wish he (PJ) has linked us up with the data source. Until reading his post I was still under the impression that voter turnout was very high. I could've sworn I recently heard about 130M voted?
I've been looking forward to getting some numbers from someone like Chuck Todd or Karl Rove. I think it'll be interesting to how actual turnout compared to predictions. E.g., I heard earlier today that college age voters were the same proportion as the last 2 elections. If so, the predicted *boom* in their turnout once again failed to materialize.
Fern
Umm that's good news for Obama
If he is sucessful in his first term, his isnt going to need
record first time voters to get re-elected.
If he is sucessful in his first term, his isnt going to need
record first time voters to get re-elected.
jonks
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Kinda tired of hearing this claim that young people haven't turned out in increased numbers recently.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27525497/
how much more involvement can you ask of young people who are barely politically conscious? I certainly wasn't until well into my 20s.
Everybodies? Who was dropped on their head, genius? If you a fuckin idiot you'd realize that the bolded comment is perfectly in line with the type of nonsense profjohn is still spewing.
Let me make it clear: PROJO IS AN IDIOT.
ALSO: You make that idiot look like a rhodes scholar.
Now go replace your diapers... this obama business clearly has you soiling yourself.
What do you expect when it's ProJo and he doesn't even give a source for his data. It's bad enough that his sources are always conservative blogs , but when he doesn't even link to one of those, odds are even that it's a complete fabrication.
techs
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WOW. You would have to read all these posts if you wanted to find the truth:
There are 3 percent of the precints still to be counted, plus many absentee ballots.
If you split them down the middle Obama gets about 65 million votes versus George Bushes 62 million. So basically Obama got as many more votes than Bush as the entire margin of victory Bush had over Kerry.
Which I believe Bush claimed gave him "political capital"
So, the title of this thread is false.
There are 3 percent of the precints still to be counted, plus many absentee ballots.
If you split them down the middle Obama gets about 65 million votes versus George Bushes 62 million. So basically Obama got as many more votes than Bush as the entire margin of victory Bush had over Kerry.
Which I believe Bush claimed gave him "political capital"
So, the title of this thread is false.
In response, I'm going to quote myself (because that's super fun)
The original post is inane. That's obvious to anyone who takes a second to think about the current tally numbers, one day after the election.
By similar logic, I could have looked at a district that had only counted 1000 Obama votes and 1 McCain vote and said "LOOK, OBAMA HAS 1000x MORE VOTES THAN MCCAIN"
Wait until the god damned votes (provisional as well) are counted in a few weeks before you begin to say anything about actual voter turnout.
Wait until the god damned votes (provisional as well) are counted in a few weeks before you begin to say anything about actual voter turnout.
squirrel dog
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squirrel dog
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When you bastardize the voting process , how can that be good . How would you feel if independants were going hog ass wild with voter fraud , or repubs? Voter fraud is not good for the voting process . Your side won , good for you . Good luck with the future .
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Harvey
Another pathetic, whining loser heard from. Uhh... Why don't you piss up a rope. :thumbsdown:
YOUR fucking Traitor In Chief gave us eight years of reasons for vitriol. YOUR fucking Traitor In Chief has gave us eight years of illegal war, eight years of illegal, treasonous assaults on the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution, eight years of aiding and abetting the Wall Street and industrial criminals who raped and pillaged our financial institutions, eight years of utter incompetence in managing the business of running the nation.
YOUR jackass candidate, John McCain lost because he squandered his own honor, his own integrity and his own legacy in history to pimp your party's lies, bigotry and hatered.
The good news is, [/b]HE LOST![/b] The better news is, in winning, Obama shattered a once impenitrable color line, once and for all. We finally stepped up and something to show the world that we still take the values enshrined in our own Declaration of Independence and Constitution seriously.
That battle is not over, but it's one more step than we had ever taken in our entire history... until yesterday. :light: :thumbsup:
Hey look, trolling post by someone who should know better...
So are you going to address the points of this thread or are you going to continue to spew your usual vitriol and lies?(lies = yet again trying to claim McCain was my candidate) Has your BDS progressed that much that you can't control your outbursts anymore?
I'm not surprised. I almost didn't vote. I decided last minute to go and vote on the props but I left the POTUS blank.
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