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Obama for President?

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Next week a group called ?DraftObama? is going to start running TV ads in New Hampshire. All of this talk about Obama running for president is not a good sign for the Democrats, and here is why.

The fact that so much time and energy is being spent on a relatively unknown, but attractive and likeable guy, shows that a large part of the Democrat base is not happy with their current choices for President. Clearly a lot of people within the party do not like the idea of Hillary or Kerry heading up the ticket in 2008.

Contrast that to the Republicans in 1999-2000. When Bush entered the race everyone started talking about how he is ?electable? and everyone else got out of the way, except McCain. After 8 years out of power the Republicans wanted the Presidency back and they therefore looked at Bush and saw that he had the appeal and name recognition to get elected.

This leads us back to the Democrats and their current candidate pool. It does not look good for them right now. We have Kerry, who already lost, and who keeps pissing a large part of American off. We have Gore, who has been out of sight and mind for 8 years. And then Hillary, the most likely nominee. The problem with Hillary is that a lot of people think she is not electable, the opposite of what everyone thought about Bush.

When you look at those three and start thinking terms of winning a national election it does not look good. Therefore, a large part of the party who are seeing the same thing I see or who just don?t like these choices are out there looking for someone else to nominate. In the end I doubt Obama runs, he is most likely working towards the VP post, a good fit for him in many ways.

The big loser in all this? Hillary. She is the Reggie Bush of the Democratic Party (The best person available, but passed over do to dubious reasoning.) She raised all this money and helped all these candidates and in return the party looks elsewhere, not a good way to start a run for Presidency.

Luckily for the Democrats they have a whole year to sort through this mess and decide which way they want to take their party. However, it is very possible that we could see a very nasty primary battle between the far left (dailykos types) who want to take the party to the left and those who think that the only way to win the White House is by running down the middle (Hillary and Co.) A battle like that could really hurt the party. Luckily for us Republicans we are much more unified, although we lack a clear front runner at this point.

Note: A lot of my opinion on this comes from recent readings in the National Review and other sources.

WTH are you talking about. He IS one of our "current choices for President". You really shouldn't start making pronouncements about how the Dems aren't going to win in '08, considering you track record. 😛
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The fact that so much time and energy is being spent on a relatively unknown, but attractive and likeable guy,
Uhh, last time that happened, he won, twice.
Who are you talking about?

I do not remember any kind of draft Clinton thing going on, not on this level.

Obama was on the cover of Time recently, that is a big deal for sure.

And Bush, everyone already knew who he was.

Look at Obama and what he has done and compare that to the draft Obama hysteria we see, it does not add up.

Yes he's quite correct, Clinton was just as unknown-ney-even MORE unknown than Obama!

 
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Abraham Lincoln didn't have much more experience then Obama has.

Neither did Saddam Hussien.

Why didn't you just say Hitler and get this thread over with.. . .?

Because your boy Barracks legal middle name is Hussein!!!

Oooh look, equal parts racism and bigotry in the same post! Impressive! :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Abraham Lincoln didn't have much more experience then Obama has.

Neither did Saddam Hussien.

Why didn't you just say Hitler and get this thread over with.. . .?

Because your boy Barracks legal middle name is Hussein!!!

Oooh look, equal parts racism and bigotry in the same post! Impressive! :disgust:

ironic, considering Lincoln was an advocate for slaves, and Barracks is an advocate for....?

 
Last I checked, we no longer refer to black men as "boys". You guys might want to update your lexicon.

No, that "ain't sum kinda carrrr" :roll:

He then (for a second time in the thread) attempts to equate Mr. Obama with a, shall we say, less than reputable character; you know, one of America's more recent friends turned bogeymen.

 
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Last I checked, we no longer refer to black men as "boys". You guys might want to update your lexicon.

No, that "ain't sum kinda carrrr" :roll:

He then (for a second time in the thread) attempts to equate Mr. Obama with a, shall we say, less than reputable character; you know, one of America's more recent friends turned bogeymen.

The slur that he has a Black Baby was already used up. So forgive them.


😉 😀
 
In all honesty...when was the last time ProfJohn looked out for the interests of Democrats?
Even though I don't agree with everything he preaches; just having the Republicans worried about him gives him that much more credibility in my books 🙂
 
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Abraham Lincoln didn't have much more experience then Obama has.

Neither did Saddam Hussien.

Why didn't you just say Hitler and get this thread over with.. . .?

Because your boy Barracks legal middle name is Hussein!!!

Oooh look, equal parts racism and bigotry in the same post! Impressive! :disgust:
He's from Texas so he doesn't know any better.

 
Hillary? The best person? AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


I challenge PooferJohn to even bother glancing at Barack's new book or any of the number of speeches of his available online. He might find himself in awe of the ass he's made of himself with threads such as these.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Hillary? The best person? AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


I challenge PooferJohn to even bother glancing at Barack's new book or any of the number of speeches of his available online. He might find himself in awe of the ass he's made of himself with threads such as these.

LOL @ conjoined thinking a book and a speech should be the basis for voting someone into the highest office in the land 🙂
 
You see, daveymissedthemark, that's how you find out about someone. That's how you learn. Also, look at Barack's legislative record. He's what this country needs in droves. He's in the mold of Sen. Wellstone.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
Bayh/Obama ticket would be nice.
Sigh. Bayh dropped out today.
I think Obama/Kucinich (or vice versa) is what this country really needs.
Kucinich is not moderate in the least.
I remember an interview with Michael Moore during the 2004 primaries where he said Kucinich was most like his views but wasn't mainstream enough to be elected, therefore Moore decided to endorse Clark.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?

Of course, there is a rich selection of great people.

God I love political humor.....😀
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?
Of course, there is a rich selection of great people.
God I love political humor.....😀
Really.... Obama/Kucinich... get real.

From what I have seen Obama is very liberal, it is unlikely he could win based on his voting record. Unless I am missing something.

I would guess it will be Hillary or some gov who takes the nomination.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Going from your past record: Not only will Obama win the D ticket, he'll have 2 stints as President, never have below 50% approval Rating, fix Iraq, fix SS, fix Healthcare, eliminate the Deficit, repair relations with Allies, bring a lasting peace between Israel/Palestine, and probably more. 😉

don`t forget to pinch yourself and wakeup...heheee
 
Chuck Hagel... probably the most reasonable of any repub with national standing, which means he doesn't have a prayer...

It'll take another ass-whupping of even greater proportions before people like him get to take their party back from the fringe elements currently in charge...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Chuck Hagel... probably the most reasonable of any repub with national standing, which means he doesn't have a prayer...

It'll take another ass-whupping of even greater proportions before people like him get to take their party back from the fringe elements currently in charge...

Yeah...Hagel is my choice on the Republican side.
Unlike McCain, Hagel doesn't seem to be pandering to the far right.

He'd get my vote over any of the current democrats running besides Bill Richardson(not sure if he's still running?).

Good article on Hagel 🙂
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2006/11/28/AR2006112801276.html
 
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Trell
Abraham Lincoln didn't have much more experience then Obama has.

Neither did Saddam Hussien.

Why didn't you just say Hitler and get this thread over with.. . .?

Because your boy Barracks legal middle name is Hussein!!!

Oooh look, equal parts racism and bigotry in the same post! Impressive! :disgust:
we all know this world will be a better place when the ignorance of felixdekat is gone.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?
Of course, there is a rich selection of great people.
God I love political humor.....😀
Really.... Obama/Kucinich... get real.

From what I have seen Obama is very liberal, it is unlikely he could win based on his voting record. Unless I am missing something.

I would guess it will be Hillary or some gov who takes the nomination.

You may be right, but you are certainly wrong, overall. I think you are blind to the fact that 'liberal' is exactly where this country needs to go. Your blindness in this area is why you fail to understand most things political and are, in general, out to lunch of so many issues. Liberal philosophy is dependent of certain capacities and sensitivities of a psychological perceptive nature that are dependent of what I might refer to as a people sense. It is this people sense that Republicans lack. They don't really like looking at themselves introspectively and that is where one learns who others are.
 
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