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Obama for President?

ProfJohn

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Next week a group called ?DraftObama? is going to start running TV ads in New Hampshire. All of this talk about Obama running for president is not a good sign for the Democrats, and here is why.

The fact that so much time and energy is being spent on a relatively unknown, but attractive and likeable guy, shows that a large part of the Democrat base is not happy with their current choices for President. Clearly a lot of people within the party do not like the idea of Hillary or Kerry heading up the ticket in 2008.

Contrast that to the Republicans in 1999-2000. When Bush entered the race everyone started talking about how he is ?electable? and everyone else got out of the way, except McCain. After 8 years out of power the Republicans wanted the Presidency back and they therefore looked at Bush and saw that he had the appeal and name recognition to get elected.

This leads us back to the Democrats and their current candidate pool. It does not look good for them right now. We have Kerry, who already lost, and who keeps pissing a large part of American off. We have Gore, who has been out of sight and mind for 8 years. And then Hillary, the most likely nominee. The problem with Hillary is that a lot of people think she is not electable, the opposite of what everyone thought about Bush.

When you look at those three and start thinking terms of winning a national election it does not look good. Therefore, a large part of the party who are seeing the same thing I see or who just don?t like these choices are out there looking for someone else to nominate. In the end I doubt Obama runs, he is most likely working towards the VP post, a good fit for him in many ways.

The big loser in all this? Hillary. She is the Reggie Bush of the Democratic Party (The best person available, but passed over do to dubious reasoning.) She raised all this money and helped all these candidates and in return the party looks elsewhere, not a good way to start a run for Presidency.

Luckily for the Democrats they have a whole year to sort through this mess and decide which way they want to take their party. However, it is very possible that we could see a very nasty primary battle between the far left (dailykos types) who want to take the party to the left and those who think that the only way to win the White House is by running down the middle (Hillary and Co.) A battle like that could really hurt the party. Luckily for us Republicans we are much more unified, although we lack a clear front runner at this point.

Note: A lot of my opinion on this comes from recent readings in the National Review and other sources.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The fact that so much time and energy is being spent on a relatively unknown, but attractive and likeable guy,

Uhh, last time that happened, he won, twice.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The fact that so much time and energy is being spent on a relatively unknown, but attractive and likeable guy,
Uhh, last time that happened, he won, twice.
Who are you talking about?

I do not remember any kind of draft Clinton thing going on, not on this level.

Obama was on the cover of Time recently, that is a big deal for sure.

And Bush, everyone already knew who he was.

Look at Obama and what he has done and compare that to the draft Obama hysteria we see, it does not add up.
 
I hope he runs and wins. I think he appeals to the best in America. I just don't know if the best is the majority.
 
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?
 
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?

Of course, there is a rich selection of great people.
 
What bit of rightwing punditry prompted this, PJ? Rush, Hannity, or the Weekly Standard?

And who'd listen to you anyway, given your ability to prognosticate the last election? Fellow wingers??

Yeh, we know you want Dems to run Hillary- you and every other like you, but it won't happen. Yeh, you'd love for dems to do what you want, run one of the most polarizing and therefore easily attacked figures in politics...

Who are the Repubs going to run, anyway? Giuliani? What about the morals and values crowd? Frist? DOA... Jeb? put a fork in him... a little gift from his brother... McCain? too much whoring for the bushistas...

As for repub unity, we'll see how it unfolds over the next 2 years, with all but a few trying to get as far away from the Bush Admin as possible... I doubt they'll all run in the same direction... Take a more centrist stance? their own words and deeds come back to haunt them... and I'm sure the new congressional majority will allow them lots of opportunities to be seen pandering to their base, which won't win them any swing votes...

Repub credibility is at a new low, where it belongs, thanks to their own shortsighted greed and interminable doublespeak... If the recent lameduck congress is any indication, they're putting up more sail, even as they're hit by a typhoon...
 
Going from your past record: Not only will Obama win the D ticket, he'll have 2 stints as President, never have below 50% approval Rating, fix Iraq, fix SS, fix Healthcare, eliminate the Deficit, repair relations with Allies, bring a lasting peace between Israel/Palestine, and probably more. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Is there anyone else thinking of running on the democratic tickets, besides hillary, obama, and the has beens?

Of course, there is a great selection of rich people.

Fixed. 😉

Edit: bobdelt beat me to it. 😛
 
I'm sure all Democrats appreciate your deep concern about their Presidential prospects in the next election, especially considering your keen insights about the issues in the last one. :laugh:
 
I think gulliani has too many issues to win. The man's 1st marriage was too his cousin! sick!

I like romney. But I dont think he is known well enough to win.

McCain has to be the favorite right now, by far.
 
ProfJohn, I understand the confusion. See, the Democratic party largely seems to be composed of all sorts of different types of people getting together in a loosely knit political coalition. They all have somewhat similar views, but overall they tend to act very much like individuals. Some of them like Hillary, some like Obama, some like other figures entirely, because Democrats tend to look for different qualities in their leaders. It makes no sense to talk about the Democratic "base", as there isn't really a cohesive base to speak of. So, like every other think the Democrats do, there will be a lot of options and different opinions and eventually it will be distilled down to something enough people can live with.

I don't think this is a bad thing, but I can see why you and other Republicans might. See, you obviously think being "unified" is a good thing, while I tend to be deeply suspicious of any organization where everyone is marching in unison...it implies a lack of intelligent thought going on. The fact that the Republican party largely seems to consist of millions of people having exactly the same thoughts is the absolute worst thing about that party, and while I don't like everyone the Dems do, I think the fact that they tend to disagree with each other is the most hopeful sign. In what kind of world are choices for President a BAD thing? That's just silly, that's the whole POINT of democracy.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn

And Bush, everyone already knew who he was.

To tell you the truth, I was 19 - 20 leading up to and during the 2000 elections. Before then I had heard little to nothing about George W. Bush. Now, I'd say that I had been somewhat interested in politics up to the point, but George W. Bush was not a familiar, much-talked about person in politics to me.

Or maybe I was just completely out of the loop...
 
Thanks, but I think all the liberals here at P&N would appreciate it if all the '06 sore losers' would go back to posting their right wing propoganda. Nobody here, who would even consider voting in the democratic primary, values these opinions.

Instead of trying to indoctrinate P&Ners, why don't you go outside and apologize to all the people whose sons and daughters who have died in the Iraq war for nothing.
 
Originally posted by: MAW1082
Thanks, but I think all the liberals here at P&N would appreciate it if all the '06 sore losers' would go back to posting their right wing propoganda. Nobody here, who would even consider voting in the democratic primary, values these opinions.

Instead of trying to indoctrinate P&Ners, why don't you go outside and apologize to all the people whose sons and daughters who have died in the Iraq war for nothing.
They will only have died for nothing if we give up.
 
NSF4- Bush was well known by those in politics. Much like everyone knows who Giuliani or McCain or Pataki. As the govenor the second largest state that pretty much made him a candidate for president already.

Jhhnn- I would rather not see Hillary run, the fact that she might get the female vote just because she is a female is not a good thing. She could win just by taking a few points of that. There are people a lot smarter than me who think she can win. I'd rather see Kerry again 🙂

BTW:As I said, to nationalreview.com and it will take you just a little bit of work to see articles with the same basic idea as mine. (or other way around)
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
NSF4- Bush was well known by those in politics. Much like everyone knows who Giuliani or McCain or Pataki. As the govenor the second largest state that pretty much made him a candidate for president already.

Being a candidate and being a major "spark" in your political party are two completely different things if you ask me. Giuliani was well-known b/c his mug was always on the friggin' TV. McCain was more well-known b/c senators tend to have more of the limelight than governors.

Tom Vilsack is a candidate for the democrats in the '08 election, but the general populous outside of Iowa doesn't know who the hell he is or what he stands for.

Do you think that many Americans outside of California knew who the hell Gray Davis was before Arnold started throwing his weight around?

Likewise, how many people outside of Texas knew much about Dubyah and his views before '99/'00.
 
Edwards is a great politician in the same way as Obama, with that young appeal and great people skills that could get someone elected. However, he has been stamped with that "loser," label much like Kerry, except in his case he lost a bid to become vice president. Who would elect someone who couldn't even become VICE president to the presidency? This is more of a subconcious idea in the mind of many voters, IMO. We got so used to picturing him as #2 that it's hard to consider him as seriously as a #1.
 
Based on the fruits of PJ's predictions in the 2006 elections, I don't care one whit about his sentiments regarding the 2008 elections. This is the same man who predicted the Republicans would retain both houses of Congress.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Based on the fruits of PJ's predictions in the 2006 elections, I don't care one whit about his sentiments regarding the 2008 elections. This is the same man who predicted the Republicans would retain both houses of Congress.
Now be honest, I made that prediction back in Sept or Aug. My prediction right before he election was pretty close.
I was off by a few seats in the house, but I did think the Reps would keep the Senate.

Plus these are not totally my ideas, but those of people who make a living off this stuff.
If the Dems were happy with Hillary we would not be hearing about Obama.
Obama is trying to sell a book, so this could be about that.
Clinton/Obama? could be.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Going from your past record: Not only will Obama win the D ticket, he'll have 2 stints as President, never have below 50% approval Rating, fix Iraq, fix SS, fix Healthcare, eliminate the Deficit, repair relations with Allies, bring a lasting peace between Israel/Palestine, and probably more. 😉

He's the Anti-Christ? 😛
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Based on the fruits of PJ's predictions in the 2006 elections, I don't care one whit about his sentiments regarding the 2008 elections. This is the same man who predicted the Republicans would retain both houses of Congress.

Well said :thumbsup:
 
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