Obama falling hard

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Vic
I think Obama's excellent performance at tonight's Service forum should put an end to McCain's convention bounce. The RNC just ended a week ago today. Polls have already shown McCain's lead faltering, it's still nearly 2 months until the election, and more debates, etc. are to come.

The OP has a history on this forum as a FUD-spreading troll, this kind of thread is typical of him.

Do you think anyone paid attention to Obama's performance at the service forum? I see many discussions of the Palin interview but not much discussion of the service forum. It looks to me like Governor Palin is still stealing the spotlight.

Assuming this is still a convention bounce, it still doesn't look good for the O camp to be polling below McCain in the electoral count. This has to be problematic for him since he can't seem to get any message across with all eyes on Governor Palin.

Call it FUD if you like but Dems are rightfully nervous. The attacks against Governor Palin are keeping the focus away from Obama. Even if the focus on Palin is negative it will still hurt Obama because it takes attention away from him and keeps him off message.

You may still be in denial but most Dems seem to have moved on to anger. We'll have to wait a while longer for bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Why? Were you and the other Pubs nervous when McCain was polling behind? Should I have made threads talking about denial, blah blah blah?
Or are you saying it's different when the Dems appear behind just the week after the RNC and there's still 2 months to the election?

You see, this is why you don't have my respect. You're dishonest. Politics is not about the reality of govt to you, nor about how who governs our country impacts our lives and our future, nor about the safety of this nation... it's just team sport to you. A funny game, look at how the people who actually worry for the security and prosperity of this country squirm, you and Rush Limbaugh will go fsck with them some more.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Vic
I think Obama's excellent performance at tonight's Service forum should put an end to McCain's convention bounce. The RNC just ended a week ago today. Polls have already shown McCain's lead faltering, it's still nearly 2 months until the election, and more debates, etc. are to come.

The OP has a history on this forum as a FUD-spreading troll, this kind of thread is typical of him.

Do you think anyone paid attention to Obama's performance at the service forum? I see many discussions of the Palin interview but not much discussion of the service forum. It looks to me like Governor Palin is still stealing the spotlight.

Assuming this is still a convention bounce, it still doesn't look good for the O camp to be polling below McCain in the electoral count. This has to be problematic for him since he can't seem to get any message across with all eyes on Governor Palin.

Call it FUD if you like but Dems are rightfully nervous. The attacks against Governor Palin are keeping the focus away from Obama. Even if the focus on Palin is negative it will still hurt Obama because it takes attention away from him and keeps him off message.

You may still be in denial but most Dems seem to have moved on to anger. We'll have to wait a while longer for bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Why? Were you and the other Pubs nervous when McCain was polling behind? Should I have made threads talking about denial, blah blah blah?
Or are you saying it's different when the Dems appear behind just the week after the RNC and there's still 2 months to the election?

You see, this is why you don't have my respect. You're dishonest. Politics is about the reality of govt to you, or about how who governs our country impacts our lives and our future, or about the safety of this nation... it's just team sport to you. A funny game, look at how the people who actually worry for the security and prosperity of this country squirm, you and Rush Limbaugh will fsck with them some more.

I was never nervous about McCain being behind. It was always expected that the Republicans would lose to any Dem. It is very different for the Dems to be behind, at any time, in this election. It shows just how poor a choice was made in the candidate selection.

I am not interested in having your repect. Like you, I am concerned about the governance, security and prosperity of this country. We simply disagree on who is best to lead. I've always thought Senator Clinton would have been the best choice and Senator McCain was always my second choice. Senator Obama just isn't anywhere near their league.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Vic
I think Obama's excellent performance at tonight's Service forum should put an end to McCain's convention bounce. The RNC just ended a week ago today. Polls have already shown McCain's lead faltering, it's still nearly 2 months until the election, and more debates, etc. are to come.

The OP has a history on this forum as a FUD-spreading troll, this kind of thread is typical of him.

Do you think anyone paid attention to Obama's performance at the service forum? I see many discussions of the Palin interview but not much discussion of the service forum. It looks to me like Governor Palin is still stealing the spotlight.

Assuming this is still a convention bounce, it still doesn't look good for the O camp to be polling below McCain in the electoral count. This has to be problematic for him since he can't seem to get any message across with all eyes on Governor Palin.

Call it FUD if you like but Dems are rightfully nervous. The attacks against Governor Palin are keeping the focus away from Obama. Even if the focus on Palin is negative it will still hurt Obama because it takes attention away from him and keeps him off message.

You may still be in denial but most Dems seem to have moved on to anger. We'll have to wait a while longer for bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Why? Were you and the other Pubs nervous when McCain was polling behind? Should I have made threads talking about denial, blah blah blah?
Or are you saying it's different when the Dems appear behind just the week after the RNC and there's still 2 months to the election?

You see, this is why you don't have my respect. You're dishonest. Politics is about the reality of govt to you, or about how who governs our country impacts our lives and our future, or about the safety of this nation... it's just team sport to you. A funny game, look at how the people who actually worry for the security and prosperity of this country squirm, you and Rush Limbaugh will fsck with them some more.

I was never nervous about McCain being behind. It was always expected that the Republicans would lose to any Dem. It is very different for the Dems to be behind, at any time, in this election. It shows just how poor a choice was made in the candidate selection.

I am not interested in having your repect. Like you, I am concerned about the governance, security and prosperity of this country. We simply disagree on who is best to lead. I've always thought Senator Clinton would have been the best choice and Senator McCain was always my second choice. Senator Obama just isn't anywhere near their league.

Except you never were a Clinton supporter.

 

[Mani]

I love how so many people are trying to proclaim Obama's candidacy dead. It is the peak of McCain's Veep and Convention bounces - the high watermark of his polling - and he can't even edge out Obama in the electoral college. It's obvious the only people going gaga over Palin are the states McCain already had, and her effect will fade over the course of the next 8 weeks and people will go back to voting for the top of the ticket as they always do.

It's not going to get any better for McCain from here on out.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Actually Democrats being behind in the polls is a good thing. Nothing helps GOTV like the thought of losing, it's when you're up big that people feel smug and less interested to vote. Remember Bush was down in the polls in '04 before he won.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mani
I love how so many people are trying to proclaim Obama's candidacy dead. It is the peak of McCain's Veep and Convention bounces - the high watermark of his polling - and he can't even edge out Obama in the electoral college. It's obvious the only people going gaga over Palin are the states McCain already had, and her effect will fade over the course of the next 8 weeks and people will go back to voting for the top of the ticket as they always do.

It's not going to get any better for McCain from here on out.

Exactly. The Pubs just played their whole hand, and don't have any more cards. Which is why they're trying to play the Dems are desperate when there is still 2 months to go.

 

[mshan]

And how did FiveThirtyEight.com get to their current McCain 272 / Obama 266 "projection"?

Did they take Colorado's 9 electoral votes and divide them up (7 for McLame, 2 for Obama)?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Mani
I love how so many people are trying to proclaim Obama's candidacy dead. It is the peak of McCain's Veep and Convention bounces - the high watermark of his polling - and he can't even edge out Obama in the electoral college. It's obvious the only people going gaga over Palin are the states McCain already had, and her effect will fade over the course of the next 8 weeks and people will go back to voting for the top of the ticket as they always do.

It's not going to get any better for McCain from here on out.

Go back 4 years and replace the names with Bush and Kerry. History is repeating itself at this very moment. I still haven't decided who I am voting for but to think that McCain is just going to fade is delusional. This is going to be yet another nail biter and I would not be shocked to once again see one side get a greater number of popular votes while losing the electoral.

 

[mshan]

Given how robust the economy was and because he was the incumbent, economic models projected Bush to defeat Kerry by 15 percentage points. Kerry was was able to close a substantial part of that because of all those deaths in Iraq.

Did you realize that yesterday, 2 soldiers died in Afghanistan, making this year the deadliest year there ever (113 deaths), and we still have almost 2 months till the election.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Mani
I love how so many people are trying to proclaim Obama's candidacy dead. It is the peak of McCain's Veep and Convention bounces - the high watermark of his polling - and he can't even edge out Obama in the electoral college. It's obvious the only people going gaga over Palin are the states McCain already had, and her effect will fade over the course of the next 8 weeks and people will go back to voting for the top of the ticket as they always do.

It's not going to get any better for McCain from here on out.

Go back 4 years and replace the names with Bush and Kerry. History is repeating itself at this very moment. I still haven't decided who I am voting for but to think that McCain is just going to fade is delusional. This is going to be yet another nail biter and I would not be shocked to once again see one side get a greater number of popular votes while losing the electoral.

You need to read my post - nowhere did I say McCain would fade, only that Palin would, and that McCain has reached what will be the high point in his polling. I fully expect it to be a close race to the end - just tell that to the people in this thread all but calling the race for McCain.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

What the R's are forgetting about Obama is that he is a candidate that the left for the most part loves. He's the guy we've been wanting, and the enthusiasm and support for him will be far greater than it was for Kerry.

Black vote, minority vote, energizing the base........he's got all those bases covered. He must win over the moderates and independents though to secure the win.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Black vote, minority vote, energizing the base........he's got all those bases covered. He must win over the moderates and independents though to secure the win.

This is where Obama is not gaining traction...he may be the dream candidate of the left, but moderates and independents tend to reject such candidates.

Obama has more charisma than Kerry, but ideologically he is quite simply another Democrat Senator with an idealistic rally cry but light on content.

This election will be a race to the center...Obama is certainly energizing the Democrat base, no question there...and thanks to Palin, McCain managed to simultaneously energize the Republican base AND somehow restore his favor with independents.

McCain will pull the right leaning independents...those voters drawn to the excitement surrounding the Obama/Clinton primary battle royal , but not particularly motivated by Obama.

Honestly, I think this election will come down to the Reagan Democrats...or dare I say Bill Clinton Democrats...those who were clearly in Hillary's camp, who are Democrats in terms of voting preference, but ideologically not that far to the left...and a demographic Obama still cannot connect with.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: mshan
Did you realize that yesterday, 2 soldiers died in Afghanistan, making this year the deadliest year there ever (113 deaths), and we still have almost 2 months till the election.

SWEET! Dead soldiers! Hopefully the Dems can count on a few more before November!

 

[mshan]

Link

The surge has worked oh so well! We're just so safe from those Iraqis who bombed us on 9/11...

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: mshan
Did you realize that yesterday, 2 soldiers died in Afghanistan, making this year the deadliest year there ever (113 deaths), and we still have almost 2 months till the election.

SWEET! Dead soldiers! Hopefully the Dems can count on a few more before November!

Opps, you just gave Jp an idea for a new topic.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: mshan
Did you realize that yesterday, 2 soldiers died in Afghanistan, making this year the deadliest year there ever (113 deaths), and we still have almost 2 months till the election.

SWEET! Dead soldiers! Hopefully the Dems can count on a few more before November!

Yeah, the Dems have only been trying to get the troops out for the past 4 years or so.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: mshan
And how did FiveThirtyEight.com get to their current McCain 272 / Obama 266 "projection"?

Did they take Colorado's 9 electoral votes and divide them up (7 for McLame, 2 for Obama)?

Colorado can split it's electoral vote. So can Nebraska (not that we ever do).

N/M, that didn't pass, it's Maine and Nebraska that can.

 

[mshan]

Colorado can split it's electoral vote.

That's very interesting. Under what circumstances, may I ask?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: mshan
And how did FiveThirtyEight.com get to their current McCain 272 / Obama 266 "projection"?

Did they take Colorado's 9 electoral votes and divide them up (7 for McLame, 2 for Obama)?

Colorado can split it's electoral vote. So can Nebraska (not that we ever do).

I think it's Maine, not Colorado.

http://www.fairvote.org/e_college/me_ne.htm

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: mshan
Colorado can split it's electoral vote.

That's very interesting. Under what circumstances, may I ask?

These states allocate two Electoral Votes to the popular vote winner, and then one each to the popular vote winner in each Congressional district (2 in Maine, 3 in Nebraska) in their state. This creates multiple popular vote contests in these states, which could lead to a split Electoral Vote.

Actually, it IS conceivable for Obama to take one district in Nebraska.

 

[Infohawk]

Regardless of what people say about negative advertising, doesn't it almost always work? The Dems have a lot of money they can use to sling mud at McCain and Palin.

 

[Stoneburner]

Negativity, it was thought, was best to bring in late as opposed to early. McCain basically used NO2 on his campaign and all it did was bring him even.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Negativity, it was thought, was best to bring in late as opposed to early. McCain basically used NO2 on his campaign and all it did was bring him even.

You mean like Obama's latest ad about how McCain can't send an email?

The thing is, he literally can't. His fingers have lost some dexterity from his war beatings.

Good job Democrats! That's gonna blow over well.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I was surprised today to see the major news sites calling out McCain and Palin on all their lies. They basically gave them a free pass for a week, but man were they brutal today. Just ripped Palin on each and every lie she told. How this plays out though is anyone's guess.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: winnar111
You mean like Obama's latest ad about how McCain can't send an email?

The thing is, he literally can't. His fingers have lost some dexterity from his war beatings.

Good job Democrats! That's gonna blow over well.

I call bulls*** on that excuse. McCain is a guy that likes to be in control. Using email puts him under someone else's thumb to actually sit and listen to what gets sent to him. McCain has little to zero patience for anything out of his control.