Obama Dropping in Polls

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

They considered the legislation. And the legislation sucked. Hence, they voted against it.

I know that possibility never entered your mind, however.

Bingo! And those two bills - omnibus and 3200 are what people are overwhelmingly against. Polls show this, the country does not want this.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

They considered the legislation. And the legislation sucked. Hence, they voted against it.

I know that possibility never entered your mind, however.

Bingo! And those two bills - omnibus and 3200 are what people are overwhelmingly against. Polls show this, the country does not want this.

Polls only matter when they favor Democrats or show negativity towards Republicans. Otherwise, they are just "biased agenda pieces." Notice how quickly they dismiss Obama's plummeting poll numbers, but are so quick to point out Bush's bad poll numbers towards the end of his second term.

Get with the times, man.

 

[Pens1566]

Sure, if you define "people" as only those screaming at town hall meetings.

Linky #1

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[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Sure, if you define "people" as only those screaming at town hall meetings.

Linky #1

Linky #2

Really? Do we really need to post the links of the Union thugs beating down that poor conservative guy for merely selling signs and stickers at a town hall event? Oh wait, it is only "right-wingers" who ever acted inappropriate at town hall meetings. Just like a "right-winger" vandalized that Democrat HQ, right?

Oh wait again...

:roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

They considered the legislation. And the legislation sucked. Hence, they voted against it.

I know that possibility never entered your mind, however.

Edit: Do we will need to trump out all the times the Dems opposed Bush just to oppose him? "I voted for the war in Iraq before I voted against it!", "The surge has failed!", etc.

Nah, you'll just say the Dems were patriots doing their duty, and that the Republicans are just obstructionists with an agenda. :roll:

Yes I'm sure that virtually every single one of 200+ people all came to the same decision on this legislation, despite many having voted for similar legislation in the past.

You've got to wake up to reality.

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Obama is paying the price for our nation having a high percentage of idiot citizens.

Starting with you Craig, starting with you.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Sure, if you define "people" as only those screaming at town hall meetings.

Linky #1

Linky #2

Really? Do we really need to post the links of the Union thugs beating down that poor conservative guy for merely selling signs and stickers at a town hall event? Oh wait, it is only "right-wingers" who ever acted inappropriate at town hall meetings. Just like a "right-winger" vandalized that Democrat HQ, right?

Oh wait again...

:roll:

Way to address the post .... deflect deflect deflect.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Sure, if you define "people" as only those screaming at town hall meetings.

Linky #1

Linky #2

Really? Do we really need to post the links of the Union thugs beating down that poor conservative guy for merely selling signs and stickers at a town hall event? Oh wait, it is only "right-wingers" who ever acted inappropriate at town hall meetings. Just like a "right-winger" vandalized that Democrat HQ, right?

Oh wait again...

:roll:

Yes, actually DO go post links to the 'union thugs' beating down that poor conservative guy. I want everyone to see the incredible brutality for themselves. hahahaha.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Ahhh, so talking about the Democrats losing their majority wasn't bringing the 2010 elections into it. Is there another method by which they will lose their majority that I am unaware of?

Fair enough. But the point of the thread is the Dems dropping support, and the American's rising disapproval of Obama. The fact they may lose majority can be argued till we're both blue in the face, but it comes down to...we'll see.

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Anyways though no, I don't get the point of your post. (or this one for that matter) You referred to the mood of the country at the point of two congressional elections. Then you are attempting to somehow equate it to the mood of the country in an off-year election. Why this matters is beyond me.

Then it just went WHOOSH over your head. Fair enough. If you dont understand what dropping support and rising disapproval means, I cant help you. Maybe you bumped your head this morning, because I know you arent that stupid.

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Not only that but you somehow think that these approval ratings of Congress translate into electoral power shifts. In 2006 before the Democrats took over, Congress had an approval rating of about 30%. Bad, right? Well the Democrats beat the Republicans down. In 2008 right before the election Congress had an approval rating of... about 19%. Democrats' majority is going down the tubes, right? Oops, the Democrats crushed them again.

They possibly can. Again, did you hit your head?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Loki is the one who is correct when he mentions that bad poll numbers may influence congerssional behavior, but you never mentioned that. In fact the only thing you mentioned that could even tangently be related to your analysis of the poll numbers was that the Democrats were likely to lose their majority. (in the 2010 elections presumably)

I would agree with that. Politicians are very reactive. Just because I dont mention it doesnt mean I disagree.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: loki8481
I think, though, that poll numbers might matter when it comes to Obama pushing his agenda through congress.

if the members of the House and Senate don't feel like their constituents back home are supporting the president, they're probably a lot less likely to themselves, whether that comes in the form of blue dog democrats not kowtowing to party leadership or the GOP finding its backbone.

You are most certainly right that poll numbers can affect members like that, but that's not what blackangst was talking about. Hence his comment of (enjoy your majority while it lasts!).

I'm not really sure what you mean about the GOP finding its backbone though, they have never lost it. In fact I would say that they are so irrationally fixated upon opposing every single thing that the Democrats try to do that they stand a real risk of screwing themselves on health care after they get a bill rammed down their throats due to their intransigence.

I disagree. The GOP is a splintered mess. And opposing the Dems is a worthless venture anyhow. The GOP is a paper tank (right now).

Number of Republican votes for the stimulus: 3 out of 219 (1.3%)
Number of Republican votes likely for health care: 0 out of 218. (0%)

Can you name a contentious piece of legislation that significant numbers of Republicans have 'splintered' on? I didn't think so.

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

 

[her209]

Obama's approval ratings continue to go down, but what about the Republican members of Congress?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

The inter-party fighting is going on with the (D)'s right now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...ational/w092821D26.DTL


The Liberal wingnuts are bashing the moderates. Maybe they will feel unwelcome enough to switch parties. :thumbsup:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: her209
Obama's approval ratings continue to go down, but what about the Republican members of Congress?

Another thread maybe?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

The inter-party fighting is going on with the (D)'s right now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...ational/w092821D26.DTL


The Liberal wingnuts are bashing the moderates. Maybe they will feel unwelcome enough to switch parties. :thumbsup:

The Green Party? Surely you don't don't mean the Party of Hannity and Rush, the Republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

I disagree. The GOP is a splintered mess. And opposing the Dems is a worthless venture anyhow. The GOP is a paper tank (right now).

Number of Republican votes for the stimulus: 3 out of 219 (1.3%)
Number of Republican votes likely for health care: 0 out of 218. (0%)

Can you name a contentious piece of legislation that significant numbers of Republicans have 'splintered' on? I didn't think so.

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

Wait, what? I offer you actual policy outcomes through party votes on substantive issues and you offer me your opinion... and then declare MY evidence anecdotal? By all means give me the superior metric by which you are measuring party unity.

 

[Fern]

The Rasmussen poll doesn't look to be "a significant outlier"

From Zogby, who shows an approval rating even lower than Rasmussen:

The latest Zogby Interactive poll of 4,518 likely voters conducted from August 28-31 found 48% disapprove and 42% approve of the job Obama is doing.

Link to Zogby

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern
The Rasmussen poll doesn't look to be "a significant outlier"

From Zogby, who shows an approval rating even lower than Rasmussen:

The latest Zogby Interactive poll of 4,518 likely voters conducted from August 28-31 found 48% disapprove and 42% approve of the job Obama is doing.

Link to Zogby

Fern

Well if you want to support Rasmussen's numbers with the 'worst pollster in the world' that's fine. Zogby's internet polls (as the one you mentioned was) violate the most basic precept of an opinion poll, the random sample. This makes them completely unreliable as anyone who has taken statistics 101 well knows.

Since apparently you looked up other polls in relation to the Rasmussen poll however, you should probably have noticed that the RCP average for polls on Obama is 51%, making Rasmussen outside of the average by 5 points. That's outside of the extreme limits of the margin of error for all the other polls, and that's why I would consider it an outlier.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

I disagree. The GOP is a splintered mess. And opposing the Dems is a worthless venture anyhow. The GOP is a paper tank (right now).

Number of Republican votes for the stimulus: 3 out of 219 (1.3%)
Number of Republican votes likely for health care: 0 out of 218. (0%)

Can you name a contentious piece of legislation that significant numbers of Republicans have 'splintered' on? I didn't think so.

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

Wait, what? I offer you actual policy outcomes through party votes on substantive issues and you offer me your opinion... and then declare MY evidence anecdotal? By all means give me the superior metric by which you are measuring party unity.

Based on a gathering of information from right wing talking head shows, town hall meetings, right wing news reports, and other right wing sources...theyre a mess.

Anecdotal, perhaps. I wont fight you on that. But I havent seen solidarity in the GOP for awhile, save partisan voting. I wouldnt consider that unity.

 

[spidey07]

Sing to chevy commercial

:music:
Like a rock
Support dropping everyday
Like a rock
We don't believe what you say
Like a rock
Elections will make you pay
Like a rock
oooh, oooh, dropping like a rock
:music:

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

I disagree. The GOP is a splintered mess. And opposing the Dems is a worthless venture anyhow. The GOP is a paper tank (right now).

Number of Republican votes for the stimulus: 3 out of 219 (1.3%)
Number of Republican votes likely for health care: 0 out of 218. (0%)

Can you name a contentious piece of legislation that significant numbers of Republicans have 'splintered' on? I didn't think so.

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

Wait, what? I offer you actual policy outcomes through party votes on substantive issues and you offer me your opinion... and then declare MY evidence anecdotal? By all means give me the superior metric by which you are measuring party unity.

Based on a gathering of information from right wing talking head shows, town hall meetings, right wing news reports, and other right wing sources...theyre a mess.

Anecdotal, perhaps. I wont fight you on that. But I havent seen solidarity in the GOP for awhile, save partisan voting. I wouldnt consider that unity.

It is amusing that the lefties think that the Republicans are unified in some sort of conservative coalition to oppose anything the Democrats oppose, no matter what. It shows just how out of touch the left is.

The GOP...unified?

That's a good one.

:laugh:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Anecdotal. Dude, you could find more unity at a convention mixed with atheists and believers than you could with the GOP right now. Seriously.

The inter-party fighting is going on with the (D)'s right now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...ational/w092821D26.DTL


The Liberal wingnuts are bashing the moderates. Maybe they will feel unwelcome enough to switch parties. :thumbsup:

The Green Party? Surely you don't don't mean the Party of Hannity and Rush, the Republicans.

green party?

anyways, the point seems appropriate.

democrats control the house and senate with a filibuster proof majority. even if the republicans felt like being obstructionists (which they probably do), they really can't. any failure of significant health care reform to pass will fall on congressional democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

It is amusing that the lefties think that the Republicans are unified in some sort of conservative coalition to oppose anything the Democrats oppose, no matter what. It shows just how out of touch the left is.

The GOP...unified?

That's a good one.

:laugh:

The Republicans that count, the ones in the House and Senate most certainly are.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Sing to chevy commercial

:music:
Like a rock
Support dropping everyday
Like a rock
We don't believe what you say
Like a rock
Elections will make you pay
Like a rock
oooh, oooh, dropping like a rock
:music:

Does the 2nd verse contain the name of who will beat him in the '12 general????

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Craig234
Obama is paying the price for our nation having a high percentage of idiot citizens.

Starting with you Craig, starting with you.

Careful our you will get a PM like the one in my sig

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Craig234
Obama is paying the price for our nation having a high percentage of idiot citizens.

Starting with you Craig, starting with you.

Careful our you will get a PM like the one in my sig

Isn't making a PM public a no no????