Obama drafts executive order to close Gitmo

[JJChicken]

Does anyone see anything funny below the following post:

Originally posted by: NewPhone
If a terrorist that is released from Camp X Ray kills more Americans and you voted for Barack then how will you feel

In his sig specifically.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
So far, all golden.

A majority of voters want Gitmo gone.

The media (since they're all LIBRULS!!!) want Gitmo gone.

Obama gets it done on day one.

Bush also wanted a way out of Gitmo. He jsut was not going to announce before it was completely figured out.

Obama is stopping proceedings but not shutting it down immediately. He is trying to figure out a way to close it down, yet protect what trials may be needed. Now the pressure is on to filter out the wheat from the chaff within the announced timeline.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Does anyone see anything funny below the following post:

Originally posted by: NewPhone
If a terrorist that is released from Camp X Ray kills more Americans and you voted for Barack then how will you feel

In his sig specifically.

I :heart: the Mods treatment of the trolls lately! :thumbsup:

 

[Harabec]

Why isn't there a "report post" option for trolls like NewPhone?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: NewPhone
If a terrorist that is released from Camp X Ray kills more Americans and you voted for Barack then how will you feel

They have and have;

Pentagon: Ex-Gitmo Detainees Return to Battlefield

?There are some [detainees] we have identified as being ready to be transferred back to their homelands,? he said. ?We are just looking for a willing recipient of them, a willing government to take them on ? so they don't return to terrorism.?

Another issue is recidivism. Morrell said 61 detainees who have been held and then released from Guantanamo Bay are suspected or confirmed to be ?returning to the fight.?

?So there clearly are people who are being held at Guantanamo who are still bent on doing harm to America, Americans, and our allies,?

Inmates' fate unclear if Obama closes Gitmo

Pentagon has said several of those freed did return to jihad. One man released to his native country of Kuwait blew himself up in Iraq in May, killing six people.

Of the detainees who remain in Guantanamo, about 80 will be tried and either kept there or sent home to serve their sentences. Another 60 have been cleared for release, though the Pentagon has not found countries to accept them.

Then there are about 110 men of whom little is known but who, the Pentagon says, may be too dangerous to America and its allies to ever be let out.

A review by the Brookings Institution found that some of the "Gitmo 110" are eligible for release but have not been freed because their countries of origin are sympathetic to their cause.

So what do you do?

If you set them free they will in all likelihood kill again.

Thus if you close Gitmo and bring them on US soil like the liberals want the rules change, they will get civilian trials that will cost the tax payer millions and cause an overwhelming burden on our judicial system.

Because of our jacked up legal system many will get set free on technicalities and other loop holes, many of whom will be hell bent on hurting us and have no place to go. So following liberal logic they will be granted citizenship and all the rights that go with it. Those rights will allow them to sue the US governments again costing the tax payer millions more in trial costs and settlements.

So by the time the liberals are done they will have set the wolves free, invited them in, and given them the freedom and financial wherewithal to hunt and kill at will.

 

[BeauJangles]

Seems to me like, for a lot of these guys with nowhere to go, the least this country can do for them is try to use political pressure to get them home.

 

[Ozoned]

Seems Obama wants to close all cia secret prisons? Where will he put all of these people?

Hopefully he remembers Willie Hortan.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Let them loose in the US? How fast do you want to see Obama's numbers tank anyways?
The prosecution of these guys will be hard due to the battlefield conditions many of them were taken in under. That said I agree something does need to be done. But if nobody wants them they will be stuck in limbo.

Again, no crime = no problem letting them in the US. It isn't about Obama's numbers. It is about human decency. You are assuming these people did something wrong or that they would be a danger. That is a false assumption.

Now, if there WAS a crime, prosecute them and jail them for their crime.

But, eternal jailing simply because you don't know what to do is the biggest crime. Let them loose if you don't have anything to charge them with.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Where will he put all of these people?

Non-secret prison.

Gee, that was hard.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Genx87
Let them loose in the US? How fast do you want to see Obama's numbers tank anyways?
The prosecution of these guys will be hard due to the battlefield conditions many of them were taken in under. That said I agree something does need to be done. But if nobody wants them they will be stuck in limbo.

Again, no crime = no problem letting them in the US. It isn't about Obama's numbers. It is about human decency. You are assuming these people did something wrong or that they would be a danger. That is a false assumption.

Now, if there WAS a crime, prosecute them and jail them for their crime.

But, eternal jailing simply because you don't know what to do is the biggest crime. Let them loose if you don't have anything to charge them with.

I am not assuming anything. The issue with some of these people is nobody will take them. While people want Gitmo closed, they dont want the them released in their backyard either.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
So far, all golden.

A majority of voters want Gitmo gone.

The media (since they're all LIBRULS!!!) want Gitmo gone.

Obama gets it done on day one.

You didn't read any articles of what Obama actually did? Did you? Nothing has been done.

 

[Genx87]

Looks like Obama has officially signed an order closing the base in 12 months or less. The logistics will be interesting to see if it can be done. If we cant place the 40 that nobody will take where do they go? There are some people who will be put on trial but the venue will have to be determined. I dont think it will be a military tribunal anymore. I bet they get federal trials.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: jpeyton
So far, all golden.

A majority of voters want Gitmo gone.

The media (since they're all LIBRULS!!!) want Gitmo gone.

Obama gets it done on day one.

You didn't read any articles of what Obama actually did? Did you? Nothing has been done.

Uhmm, he signed an order to close it. That's the most anyone could do in 2 days. What did you think, it was going to magically disappear with a stroke of his pen?

 

[ElFenix]

apparently the order to close the gitmo prison was just signed this morning. the CNN article say updated 1 minute ago, though they don't indicate what was updated.

 

[biggestmuff]

GJ. Now they have a year to find another 'super, secret jail' to house them in.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Hopefully Omar Khadr, Canadian citizen who is accused of killing a US soldier in Afghanistan, is tried in the USA and not simply handed over to Canada. IMHO he should be tried in the USA for murder since he killed one of your troops and we have too many bleeding hearts in Canada that will want to see him let go. Though if he was tortured we may want him back, epically if most of the evidence used against him comes from said torture since that information is grossly unreliable, moral arguments aside.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: daveymark
according to AP, details are sketchy. timeline set to be one year.


will be interesting to see where the prisoners are sent.

I think this has been the biggest issue thus far even with the Bush administration. The Bush admin has wanted to close that place down for a couple of years as well. But they want to prosecute some and send others away. The problem is some of them they want to send home, the host countries wont take. So what do you do with them? Drop them off on a desert island?

That`s a crock!! If Bush wanted to close the place down he could have easily closed the place down!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5102528.stm

June 21st 2006, 2.5 years ago.

Wow, so Bush talked it about 2 and a half years ago and did nothing... Obama's been in office for a day and the order's going out. Does that make Obama a thousand times more efficient than Bush? Actions speak louder than words, and Bush's actions were never indicative of someone who wanted Gitmo closed. So if this is the best argument you can come up with, you fail on so many levels it's hard to quantify.

proably because Obama doesnt understand the situation as fully as Bush does.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
GJ. Now they have a year to find another 'super, secret jail' to house them in.

exactly. do you guys really think they are going to let the leader who blew up the USS Kole and killed 17 of our sailors go free?

:roll:

 

[chrisho]

Did he do it or did his press Secretary do it?

From listening to him I could swear he didn't even know what they were doing.

and the Uh.. bama strikes again

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
GJ. Now they have a year to find another 'super, secret jail' to house them in.

exactly. do you guys really think they are going to let the leader who blew up the USS Kole and killed 17 of our sailors go free?

:roll:

You do realize that closing Guantanamo has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the prisoners in it are set free, right? I'm not sure how you could have gotten that impression.

It's about eliminating extralegal, unaccountable prisons that trample human rights and damage US reputation and interests around the world.

 

[Farang]

"The United States will not torture."

beautiful.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: bozack
They can send them to Chicago, they'd fit right in

They just might.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: bozack
They can send them to Chicago, they'd fit right in

They just might.

San Francisco, Vermont, and Pennsylvania would be fitting too. I'm sure that the Pelosi, Leahy, and Murtha constituencies wouldn't hesitate in welcoming them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love the attitude and blind denial of the Rightie-Tighties.

Nobody wants the guilty to go free, but we do want the President to protect and defend the Constitution. GWB and cronies clusterflucked the whole thing so badly that quite probably more guilty parties may be set free than if they'd done just that, instead of using the whole thing as a political grandstand in defiance of the constitution and of common decency. Like it or not, we are a nation of laws, a republic based on constitutional principles, and no "Terrarist Threat!" entitles any President to forget that, which is precisely what's occurred.

Yeh, I know, Bushfans popped huge woodies at the thought of Terrarists! being stretched on the Rack, made to confess all, but that says more about their so-called "values" than anything else, and about just what kind of "principles" they adhere to, which is to say none at all...

Freedom simply cannot be defended with the tools of Tyrants, no matter how much Jack Bauer you've been watching... In doing that, we become tyrants ourselves.

 

[yllus]

If no country is willing to take in those found innocent whom U.S. troops abducted, the U.S. should certainly give them landed immigrant status.