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Obama drafts executive order to close Gitmo
- Thread starter daveymark
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I think this has been the biggest issue thus far even with the Bush administration. The Bush admin has wanted to close that place down for a couple of years as well. But they want to prosecute some and send others away. The problem is some of them they want to send home, the host countries wont take. So what do you do with them? Drop them off on a desert island?
dphantom
Diamond Member
Exactly. What many on the left fail to recognize. Whether it should have been set up at all is really what should be debated. The fact it was established and the Bush admin has wanted to close it down for some time is not generally discussed.
By establishing the camp, the Bush admin dug a hole they had difficulty getting out of. Other means of dealing with illegal enemy combatants existed and should have been used.
dphantom
Diamond Member
Some may have been picked up in those countries, but are not necessarily natives. They often come from other countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Algeria, Chechnya and so forth. It's kind of hard to tell a sovereign nation to do something it does not want to do without twisting arms.
Schadenfroh
Elite Member
The prison or the naval base?
How can we force Pakistan or Afghanistan to take them back? The article I read this morning stated 40 detainee's cant be placed in any country. What do we do with them? I have to agree with dphantom on this. The Bush administration dug themselves a hole that I dont think even Obama can easily get out of.
I bet we won't have to force them. I think a new American administration will probably make some countries a bit more compliant for a little while, and I could see them agreeing to take these sorts of prisoners as one of the things they might do. This would have been true for McCain as well had he chosen to close Gitmo.
BMW540I6speed
Golden Member
The answer is to get these issues away from politics of all stripes and put career legal professionals in charge of the whole issue. The Bush administration's constant attempt to reinvent the wheel is the root of the problem here, as it is across the board. When dealing with Terrorism, rejecting police work, traditional espionage Bush always tried to undermine or simply avoid American courts and jurisprudence instead replacing them a vision of Justice-by-Hack. Just as they insisted on governance by hack, prosecution by hack, occupation by hack etc.
To oversimplify the whole thing - don't look for new solutions, apply the principals of law and justice that have been the bedrock of American and Western European societies for centuries. Hand the prisoners over to the justice system.
To oversimplify the whole thing - don't look for new solutions, apply the principals of law and justice that have been the bedrock of American and Western European societies for centuries. Hand the prisoners over to the justice system.
Heck even w/o a trial, for some reasons (IIRC) there doesn't seem to be any country that want these people. Peaches and cream.. not sure why other countries don't what them. its not like they radical killers bent on killing innocent civilians or anything... peaches and cream; and everything nice, yo...
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