Obama: Don't assume I'll take VP slot

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: loki8481

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

Obama's refusal to push for any kind of revote in FL could do him in in that regard, though.

it's political prudent in a state that Clinton would likely carry in a primary, but won't the FL voters be questioning why Obama didn't want their voices to have an influence in the primary process?

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

it would garner good will for florida's democrats if he pushed the DNC to allow their voices to be heard via a revote. it's not like money's an issue, I think John Corzine offered to bankroll the whole thing using the spare bills he keeps in his shoe.

florida or no florida, I think he's going to win the nomination either way. I just think actually taking a stand on something now would help him more in November.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: loki8481

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

Obama's refusal to push for any kind of revote in FL could do him in in that regard, though.

it's political prudent in a state that Clinton would likely carry in a primary, but won't the FL voters be questioning why Obama didn't want their voices to have an influence in the primary process?

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

it would garner good will for florida's democrats if he pushed the DNC to allow their voices to be heard via a revote. it's not like money's an issue, I think John Corzine offered to bankroll the whole thing using the spare bills he keeps in his shoe.

florida or no florida, I think he's going to win the nomination either way. I just think actually taking a stand on something now would help him more in November.

Both FL and MI were set to pay the price right up to, and after, their pointless primaries... what changed since then? Oh ya, that's right! Hillary started to lose.. and whine... and lose some more... and whine even louder!

I personally respect and admire Obama's firm decision to adhere to the rules. It's a great example of his having convictions -- a foreign concept to Hillary & Co.

Obama will do perfectly fine in November.. but only if Hillary wises up, realizes she's destroying her party, and gets the fvck out of the way.

 

[Vic]

Why do we have to keep up this nonsense with FL and MI? Let them have their re-vote but no way in hell should they be rewarded for knowingly breaking the rules.

The Dem party here in OR voted last year to move up the primaries to January, the DNC said no, and our primaries went back to May. Look! we followed the rules. Amazing.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Vic
Why do we have to keep up this nonsense with FL and MI? Let them have their re-vote but no way in hell should they be rewarded for knowingly breaking the rules.

The Dem party here in OR voted last year to move up the primaries to January, the DNC said no, and our primaries went back to May. Look! we followed the rules. Amazing.

:Q And look at that, your primaries now have a little more meaning! imagine that!

I fvcking cant stand people who cant follow the agreed upon rules in a sporting event or competition of any sort.

The words principle and conviction seem foreign these days...

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

But why would he not speak out for the rights of the voters? His campaign is supposed to be about bringing politics back to the people, right? So why be a sheep and go along with the DNC without question?

 

[nageov3t]

Obama's going to need to unite the party after he wins... if there's a constant back whisper amongst the 49% who didn't vote for him about "but for Florida," it might make his victory seem somehow tainted in the eyes of the people he needs to win over (just like Hillary would face a challenge if the SD's handed her the election, except that she's already lost)

Dean really screwed the pooch on this one; it's not as if the Florida democrats were the ones to move the primary up.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

But why would he not speak out for the rights of the voters? His campaign is supposed to be about bringing politics back to the people, right? So why be a sheep and go along with the DNC without question?

Like i said, you, and Hillary, need to look up the words "conviction" and "principle."

ANY vocal objections to the punishment of FL and MI, by ANYONE, should have been voiced last year.

Doing so now, after the fact, is just plain selfish. HRC's pursuit of their votes is entirely self-serving -- and has nothing at all to do with "the voters of FL and MI."

If Obama had somehow won both states, HRC would never have said a g'damn word about including their votes.

However, even if that were the case, unlike Hillary, I do not believe Obama would have fought to have them included. Why?

Because Obama is a person of principle and conviction. Hillary is not. Period.