Obama: Don't assume I'll take VP slot

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
If Hillary said the same thing, headline of this thread will read "POWER HUNGRY BITCH DOESN'T CARE, SAID SCREW THE PARTY AND SHE WON'T ACCEPT VP SEAT!" and the thread will get 110% approval from the Obotsma here.

probably not because we won't approve of hillary on the ticket

 

[SSSnail]

Then just come out and say it like you mean it "we're just a bunch of bigoted bastards".

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SSSnail
If Hillary said the same thing, headline of this thread will read "POWER HUNGRY BITCH DOESN'T CARE, SAID SCREW THE PARTY AND SHE WON'T ACCEPT VP SEAT!" and the thread will get 110% approval from the Obotsma here.

probably not because we won't approve of hillary on the ticket

Owned.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Then just come out and say it like you mean it "we're just a bunch of bigoted bastards".

Says the man with this is his sig:

Inventor of the word: Obotsma; in contention for Oblahma

Fern

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Then just come out and say it like you mean it "we're just a bunch of bigoted bastards".

Says the man with this is his sig:

Inventor of the word: Obotsma; in contention for Oblahma

Fern

While that maybe true, but I don't hate blindly.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: bamacre
It is time Obama publicly asks Clinton to drop out, noting he is too far ahead in delegates, and that her staying in is hurting the party's chances in the general election. It is time for some tough love.

He already knows that she is far too stubborn. If Obama cared at all about his party he'd have quit and taken the VP spot.

No way in hell Hillary lets Hussein take her nomination. She'll make sure he loses so she can run again in 2012.

Let's see... You call Hillary by her first name then use Obama's middle name? What a tool. Sorry I mean troll. Better yet, I mean both. WWYBYWB anyway?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

Ding ding ding... Hillary will turn off many people (myself included). If democrats want a shot at white house, she can't be anywhere near it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

Ding ding ding... Hillary will turn off many people (myself included). If democrats want a shot at white house, she can't be anywhere near it.

So says a Obama supporter??

I was talking with my Dad the other day and he told me that he has never voted for anything other then a Republican (for President) his whole life, but that he would vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama.

So ding, ding, ding my ass. :laugh:

 

[Moonbeam]

If you like the world you see vote for its continuation. You can take Hillary of John. It you want to change the world vote for Obama. In the balance are fear and hope.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

Ding ding ding... Hillary will turn off many people (myself included). If democrats want a shot at white house, she can't be anywhere near it.

So says a Obama supporter??

I was talking with my Dad the other day and he told me that he has never voted for anything other then a Republican (for President) his whole life, but that he would vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama.

So ding, ding, ding my ass. :laugh:

Maybe your dad is just a racist? I've had several people tell me they will not vote for Obama because (insert things like NAACP, welfare, affirmative action, etc). Not his stance on policies, not his experience, not his ability to lead. His race (well 1/2 race anyway).

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

Ding ding ding... Hillary will turn off many people (myself included). If democrats want a shot at white house, she can't be anywhere near it.

So says a Obama supporter??

I was talking with my Dad the other day and he told me that he has never voted for anything other then a Republican (for President) his whole life, but that he would vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama.

So ding, ding, ding my ass. :laugh:

Maybe your dad is just a racist? I've had several people tell me they will not vote for Obama because (insert things like NAACP, welfare, affirmative action, etc). Not his stance on policies, not his experience, not his ability to lead. His race (well 1/2 race anyway).

Florida's a lost cause for Dems in '08 anyways.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I don't get why they're talking about this. I think they should worry about McCain the douchebag first. If the dems can't win they might as well quit.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Florida's a lost cause for Dems in '08 anyways.

Why do people spout such stupid crap without any supporting evidence? I'm sure the good folks of Florida are just peachy with the Republicans that cost them their delegates in the Democratic primary. I'm sure that they are just peachy with the Republican rule over the last few years considering that:

? Unemployment is up
? Manufacturing is down
? IT jobs are down
? Financial sector is down
? Govt has grown
? Layoffs are up

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.fl.htm

But don't let facts get in the way of a good opinionated rant or statement.

The reality is that the Dems will struggle to win FL but it is in no way, shape or form something that will be just handed to the Repubs in November.

Bush was handed the election in 2000 and won 52/47 against Kerry. Not really the bastion of "Red and only Red" voting mentality.

Edit: Forgot to add that housing is in the shitter and the economy as a whole is getting worse and worse.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: bamacre
It is time Obama publicly asks Clinton to drop out, noting he is too far ahead in delegates, and that her staying in is hurting the party's chances in the general election. It is time for some tough love.

He already knows that she is far too stubborn. If Obama cared at all about his party he'd have quit and taken the VP spot.

No way in hell Hillary lets Hussein take her nomination. She'll make sure he loses so she can run again in 2012.

Let's see... You call Hillary by her first name then use Obama's middle name? What a tool. Sorry I mean troll. Better yet, I mean both. WWYBYWB anyway?

1.) Joined yesterday.
2.) "Black guy" avatar (automatic red flag).

Hmm...I think you may be onto something here.

 

[nageov3t]

a candidate that FL did not vote for in any way coupled with the fact that Howard Dean screwed the FL delegates, Obama's been dragging his feet on a re-vote because he doesn't want it to happen, McCain will be the only one who campaigned in FL during the primaries, Crist's endorsement of him, his strong national security credentials, and his moderate view on immigration seems to make FL a pretty tough fight for Obama.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: loki8481

Florida's a lost cause for Dems in '08 anyways.

Why do people spout such stupid crap without any supporting evidence? I'm sure the good folks of Florida are just peachy with the Republicans that cost them their delegates in the Democratic primary. I'm sure that they are just peachy with the Republican rule over the last few years considering that:

? Unemployment is up
? Manufacturing is down
? IT jobs are down
? Financial sector is down
? Govt has grown
? Layoffs are up

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.fl.htm

But don't let facts get in the way of a good opinionated rant or statement.

The reality is that the Dems will struggle to win FL but it is in no way, shape or form something that will be just handed to the Repubs in November.

Bush was handed the election in 2000 and won 52/47 against Kerry. Not really the bastion of "Red and only Red" voting mentality.

Edit: Forgot to add that housing is in the shitter and the economy as a whole is getting worse and worse.

You really expect the democrats to carry FL when Governor Christ has one of the highest popularity ratings of any governor in the US?

I think you need to come down to earth.
FL will vote republican in the next general election regardless of whether Clinton or Obama is the democratic nominee.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I really don't see how Hilary could possibly beat McCain in a general election unless she had Obama on the ticket. Obama, on the other hand, would probaly do better in a general election to not have Hilary on the ticket as VP. She's too polarizing a figure. Her 15 years in the public eye works against her in this respect. People have already made up their minds about her.

Ding ding ding... Hillary will turn off many people (myself included). If democrats want a shot at white house, she can't be anywhere near it.

So says a Obama supporter??

I was talking with my Dad the other day and he told me that he has never voted for anything other then a Republican (for President) his whole life, but that he would vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama.

So ding, ding, ding my ass. :laugh:

Maybe your dad is just a racist? I've had several people tell me they will not vote for Obama because (insert things like NAACP, welfare, affirmative action, etc). Not his stance on policies, not his experience, not his ability to lead. His race (well 1/2 race anyway).

Maybe your just a sexist?

Green I tell you, green as grass.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: loki8481

Florida's a lost cause for Dems in '08 anyways.

Why do people spout such stupid crap without any supporting evidence? I'm sure the good folks of Florida are just peachy with the Republicans that cost them their delegates in the Democratic primary. I'm sure that they are just peachy with the Republican rule over the last few years considering that:

? Unemployment is up
? Manufacturing is down
? IT jobs are down
? Financial sector is down
? Govt has grown
? Layoffs are up

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.fl.htm

But don't let facts get in the way of a good opinionated rant or statement.

The reality is that the Dems will struggle to win FL but it is in no way, shape or form something that will be just handed to the Repubs in November.

Bush was handed the election in 2000 and won 52/47 against Kerry. Not really the bastion of "Red and only Red" voting mentality.

Edit: Forgot to add that housing is in the shitter and the economy as a whole is getting worse and worse.

You really expect the democrats to carry FL when Governor Christ has one of the highest popularity ratings of any governor in the US?

I think you need to come down to earth.
FL will vote republican in the next general election regardless of whether Clinton or Obama is the democratic nominee.

Do I EXPECT them to carry it? No. Would I be shocked? No.

Loki mentioned some issues that he believes will favor McCain. Having lived in FL before for almost a decade, I can tell you that those that I know there would favor Obama in a lot of the issues raised.

Immigration: McCain vs. Obama
I think that Obama's platform covers what McCain's does and more.

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

National Security creds:
I can see that McCain can wipe the floor with Obama in terms of credentials in this department. However, I think that Obama can point to McCain's choices to supporting the Iraq invasion for the next 100 years and his continuing support for methods of "security" that threaten the civil rights of Americans and an unwillingness to enter into talks with some countries as detrimental to national security and not actually contributing to it.

Crist's endorsement:
Big flip. 99% of people that I know don't know for certain who the governor of their state endorses or even care because the assumption is that they will just be supporting the person with the same party affiliation letter after their name. While it carries weight in a primary where you are trying to whittle down the field of same party candidates, in the GE....it means squat.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: loki8481

Florida's a lost cause for Dems in '08 anyways.

Why do people spout such stupid crap without any supporting evidence? I'm sure the good folks of Florida are just peachy with the Republicans that cost them their delegates in the Democratic primary. I'm sure that they are just peachy with the Republican rule over the last few years considering that:

? Unemployment is up
? Manufacturing is down
? IT jobs are down
? Financial sector is down
? Govt has grown
? Layoffs are up

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.fl.htm

But don't let facts get in the way of a good opinionated rant or statement.

The reality is that the Dems will struggle to win FL but it is in no way, shape or form something that will be just handed to the Repubs in November.

Bush was handed the election in 2000 and won 52/47 against Kerry. Not really the bastion of "Red and only Red" voting mentality.

Edit: Forgot to add that housing is in the shitter and the economy as a whole is getting worse and worse.

You really expect the democrats to carry FL when Governor Christ has one of the highest popularity ratings of any governor in the US?

I think you need to come down to earth.
FL will vote republican in the next general election regardless of whether Clinton or Obama is the democratic nominee.

Do I EXPECT them to carry it? No. Would I be shocked? No.

Loki mentioned some issues that he believes will favor McCain. Having lived in FL before for almost a decade, I can tell you that those that I know there would favor Obama in a lot of the issues raised.

Immigration: McCain vs. Obama
I think that Obama's platform covers what McCain's does and more.

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

National Security creds:
I can see that McCain can wipe the floor with Obama in terms of credentials in this department. However, I think that Obama can point to McCain's choices to supporting the Iraq invasion for the next 100 years and his continuing support for methods of "security" that threaten the civil rights of Americans and an unwillingness to enter into talks with some countries as detrimental to national security and not actually contributing to it.

Crist's endorsement:
Big flip. 99% of people that I know don't know for certain who the governor of their state endorses or even care because the assumption is that they will just be supporting the person with the same party affiliation letter after their name. While it carries weight in a primary where you are trying to whittle down the field of same party candidates, in the GE....it means squat.

Obama is not going to win Florida. McCain has Crist campaigning for him. The state has a large older population that Obama doesn't quite do well with. It has a large Cuban voting block that with Obama's more open policy towards Cuba will be solidly for McCain. And it has a large military presence. Clinton would have a better chance but Florida would probably go to the Republicans.

 

[M0RPH]

Hillary could win FL, she has the right demographics. Obama doesn't have a prayer in FL.

 

[nageov3t]

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

Obama's refusal to push for any kind of revote in FL could do him in in that regard, though.

it's political prudent in a state that Clinton would likely carry in a primary, but won't the FL voters be questioning why Obama didn't want their voices to have an influence in the primary process?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Obama is not going to win Florida. McCain has Crist campaigning for him. The state has a large older population that Obama doesn't quite do well with. It has a large Cuban voting block that with Obama's more open policy towards Cuba will be solidly for McCain. And it has a large military presence. Clinton would have a better chance but Florida would probably go to the Republicans.

From Feb 14:

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has commanding leads, especially among women, over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Democratic primary voters in the critical swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Poll, three simultaneous surveys of voters in states that have been pivotal in presidential elections since 1964. In these two states and Florida, a swing state that already conducted a primary, Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican front-runner, is running neck and neck with either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama. Results are:

* Florida: McCain 44 percent - Clinton 42 percent; McCain 41 percent - Obama 39 percent;
* Ohio: McCain 44 percent - Clinton 43 percent; McCain 42 percent - Obama 40 percent;
* Pennsylvania: Clinton 46 percent - McCain 40 percent; Obama 42 percent - McCain 41 percent.

Obama would beat McCain in Delegates

McCain vs. Obama by the numbers

Notice that the trend is Obama closing the gap from Dec/Jan to the most recent polls? Florida is in no way a lock for McCain.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

Obama's refusal to push for any kind of revote in FL could do him in in that regard, though.

it's political prudent in a state that Clinton would likely carry in a primary, but won't the FL voters be questioning why Obama didn't want their voices to have an influence in the primary process?

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: loki8481

Dem Primaries:
I wholeheartedly believe that this can be placed at the feet of the Republican-controlled state gov. They were the ones that moved up the date. They were the ones that were inflexible about moving it back. They were the ones that disallowed millions and millions of Floridians to not have a say in their party's presidential primaries!! See how easy that was?

Obama's refusal to push for any kind of revote in FL could do him in in that regard, though.

it's political prudent in a state that Clinton would likely carry in a primary, but won't the FL voters be questioning why Obama didn't want their voices to have an influence in the primary process?

It was NOT Obama who punished them -- it was the Democratic National Committee -- and EVERY candidate, including Hillary, agreed with their decision... until now.

Implying otherwise is pure, unadulterated, Clintonesque spin.

Obama has stated all along that he will abide by the decisions and rules of the DNC. Period.

No one expected to have two candidates locked in such a close battle as this. The rules should allow the voices of all of the voters before leaving the decision to the Supers.