Obama: Dallas shooter motive hard to "untangle"

[ivwshane]

ROFLMFAO!!! There is no way anybody said that GW Bush was the 1st great leader of the 21st century. That did not happen. Eski, you cannot assert facts that have no basis in reality. That is not how we roll on P&N.

Facts exist whether you are aware of them or not. In this case, the fact exists.

https://www.amazon.com/Bush-Country-Century-While-Driving-Liberals/dp/B000H2MTCS

 

[ivwshane]

Honestly I thought he started off well but then he started rambling about race. You're right I'm biased, but I couldn't help but feel disgusted.

Look, these killings are all sad and tragic, but it seems like almost everyone is jumping on the issue of race relations too quickly. I admit there are certainly issues with racial bias in policing, but specifically these 2 cases haven't been fully investigated yet. I get annoyed at how BLM screams loudest after these killings regardless of whether they were racially motivated or not. Remember Mike Brown? Yeah. Tragic death, but why is BLM screaming the loudest for a thug?

Similarly here, the obvious issue here is a lack of training and poor use of force practices by cops. That's clearly evident in both videos. The racial aspect? It might be a problem, but these 2 incidents aren't exactly evidence of racially motivated shootings.

So yes, I do think that Obama focused unnecessarily about race. If anything he should be preaching for Americans to have basic problem solving skills and to ask questions and gather information before jumping to conclusions. That to me is a bigger problem than anything else--the fact that critical thinking is not even used in any of these situations.

Perhaps you should get familiar with the movement before you condemn others for not thinking critically.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Perhaps you should get familiar with the movement before you condemn others for not thinking critically.

BLM isn't a card carrying membership, so people can say anything. You can argue its a loud minority or idiots destroying the message, but there were protests demanding justice from Day 1 using the BLM hashtag.

This is why the movement is a complete mess. It's still unclear from both shootings that either of them both racially motivated. So yes, one can cry that Black Lives Matter, but screaming loudly after two incidents where there's no definitive evidence pointing to racially motivated killings is acting prematurely and makes the BLM movement look bad.

 

[bshole]

Facts exist whether you are aware of them or not. In this case, the fact exists.

https://www.amazon.com/Bush-Country-Century-While-Driving-Liberals/dp/B000H2MTCS

That book was probably a satire. I am skeptical that it was written in earnest.

 

[fskimospy]

So it was a)good b)bad c)meh speech? And his statement about get a gun is easier than to get a book/computer was correct and nothing to do with more gun control agenda of his?

I don't really care about the quality of his speech. His statement that it was easier to get a gun than a book seems like pretty deliberate hyperbole on his part. Do you think he meant it literally?

The speech at the memorial for the officers that were slaughtered simply because of the color of their skin and their uniforms should be about them and their memory, not about pushing political points, correct?

Meh, it can be about them and about how to stop more tragedies like this from happening in the future. I find that gun rights people usually follow each gun massacre by saying that pushing for gun control in the wake of a tragedy is somehow disrespectful or inappropriate. I think that is entirely wrong: there is no better time to talk about the damage that our lack of gun control is inflicting on our country then when we can so clearly see its effects in front of our faces. Trying to prevent other families from enduring the same tragedy is the highest form of respect.

 

[Svnla]

I don't really care about the quality of his speech. His statement that it was easier to get a gun than a book seems like pretty deliberate hyperbole on his part. Do you think he meant it literally?



Meh, it can be about them and about how to stop more tragedies like this from happening in the future. I find that gun rights people usually follow each gun massacre by saying that pushing for gun control in the wake of a tragedy is somehow disrespectful or inappropriate. I think that is entirely wrong: there is no better time to talk about the damage that our lack of gun control is inflicting on our country then when we can so clearly see its effects in front of our faces. Trying to prevent other families from enduring the same tragedy is the highest form of respect.

Oh, no straight answer. He said what he said, everyone heard what he said. You can spin anyway you want.

As I said, the memorial was about the fallen officers who were murdered simple because the color of their skin and their uniforms and about unity the city/state/nation, not to score political points but you think otherwise. I am not a fan of the young Bush but at least his speech was about the officers.

One more thing, BO said the US is not a divided country but majority Americans think otherwise - https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-think-race-relations-worst-005329600.html

But of course, you will spin again.

 

[FerrelGeek]

No. There's an appropriate time and place for saying certain things. The memorial was not that place. It showcased Obama's complete lack of regard for the family and colleagues of the slain officers. But Obama can't resist; it's about him and his agenda.

I don't really care about the quality of his speech. His statement that it was easier to get a gun than a book seems like pretty deliberate hyperbole on his part. Do you think he meant it literally?

Meh, it can be about them and about how to stop more tragedies like this from happening in the future. I find that gun rights people usually follow each gun massacre by saying that pushing for gun control in the wake of a tragedy is somehow disrespectful or inappropriate. I think that is entirely wrong: there is no better time to talk about the damage that our lack of gun control is inflicting on our country then when we can so clearly see its effects in front of our faces. Trying to prevent other families from enduring the same tragedy is the highest form of respect.

 

[Subyman]

So it was a)good b)bad c)meh speech? And his statement about get a gun is easier than to get a book/computer was correct and nothing to do with more gun control agenda of his?

The speech at the memorial for the officers that were slaughtered simply because of the color of their skin and their uniforms should be about them and their memory, not about pushing political points, correct?

Let me spell it out to you because it seems allegory is indeed lost on you. In some communities the path of violence is easier and more accessible than the path of education. Kind of like the sword and the pen not meaning the exact objects but the concept of war and diplomacy. You have to turn your brain on when listening to Obama.

Carry on getting mad at the number of guns vs books statistics lol

 

[Svnla]

Let me spell it out to you because it seems allegory is indeed lost on you. In some communities the path of violence is easier and more accessible than the path of education. Kind of like the sword and the pen not meaning the exact objects but the concept of war and diplomacy. You have to turn your brain on when listening to Obama.

Carry on getting mad at the number of guns vs books statistics lol

No straight answer to my question? Typical.

Yes, be a snob and look down on others because they can't use their brains as you guys (because you think so). Gotcha.

Keep telling yourself that. LOL.

I ain't mad, I am just telling the truth and facts. I just provided what BO said and you guys will just spin and spin. Just as you guys are trying so hard when BO was trying to score political points at a memorial of the dead officers. Of course, we have to use our brains to understand him. LOL. The hell with decency and common courtesy to the dead, eh? We ain't smart enough. Spin that.