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Obama/Clinton 2008 thread:10-22-06 Obama says he is considering run

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dmcowen674

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Looks like an Obama/Clinton ticket for 2008 now.

She's a powerful force. Would she be happy with the VP spot?

Although Obama is relatively new, I still feel we need a non-career politician in the high Offices.

10-22-2006 Obama says he's weighing 2008 run

Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged Sunday he was considering a run for president in 2008, backing off previous statements that he would not do so.

In recent weeks, his political stock has been rising as a potentially viable centrist candidate for president in 2008 after former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner announced earlier this month that he was bowing out of the race.

On Sunday, Obama dismissed notions that he might not be ready to run for president because of his limited experience in national politics. He agreed the job requires a "certain soberness and seriousness" and "can't be something you pursue on the basis of vanity and ambition."

"I'm not sure anyone is ready to be president before they're president," Obama said. "I trust the judgment of the American people.

"We have a long and vigorous process. Should I decide to run, if I ever decide to, I'll be confident that I'll be run through the paces pretty well," Obama said.
 
The typical American voter is not politically mature enough to accept a black candidate or a woman candidate
for the Presidency and Vice Presidency.

However a coke-head, drunken party frat-boy is well within the bounds of acceptability for the terminally stupid.
 
I personally don't have a problem with either one of them.

I don't think America will vote Black or Female no matter how qualified they are.
 
I don't think many Hillary haters can rationally lay out the reasons.

I have my own problems with her - such as her supportive comments regarding the recent torture bill, but that's not why her haters oppose her.

I'm not a big fan of Obama yet either. I want another FDR: when the republicans break things, there's a chance for someone who will do a lot of good. We don't want a half-ass democrat, we want someone who will prevent the next Bush the way that FDR moved the country away from the far right.
 
Which posts are you referring to dmcowen? I'd vote for Hillary over any republican on the table - she's just not my first choice for the nomination.

I'm actually not utterly thrilled with any of the democratic contenders, but Gore and Kerry are both great men and leaders who I'd happily support. It's virtually certain I'll vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. There was a time for 'pick the man, not the party', and that was before the republican party was hijacked.

Believe it or not, my first choice might be Ted Kennedy, but that's another topic. There's a man with the history and background to know how to make the major fixes needed.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Which posts are you referring to dmcowen? I'd vote for Hillary over any republican on the table - she's just not my first choice for the nomination.

I'm actually not utterly thrilled with any of the democratic contenders, but Gore and Kerry are both great men and leaders who I'd happily support. It's virtually certain I'll vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. There was a time for 'pick the man, not the party', and that was before the republican party was hijacked.

Believe it or not, my first choice might be Ted Kennedy, but that's another topic. There's a man with the history and background to know how to make the major fixes needed.
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I was not commenting specifically on yours Craig.

You are kind of all over the map however.

Would you consider joining or discussions with my Team?

Edited: Just noticed I forgot the word NOT,, sorry Craig.
 
Originally posted by: aircooled
I personally don't have a problem with either one of them.

I don't think America will vote Black or Female no matter how qualified they are.
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I think America will vote for whoever has the R or D next to their name. If my dog managed to get the nom of either party he'd be guaranteed at least 45% of the vote. (And I think he could pull the swing voters 'cause he so darn cute.) Although I do believe that Hill is less handicapped by being a woman than Obama is by being black. Sad that it even matters.

As for the OP. I don't know if Obama can win the nom against Hill. And no way on this planet will Hill ever accept a VP role. It's all or nothing for her.
 
dmcowen, didn't think you meant my posts, just was interested in hearing more about the ones you were referring to.

Also, can you say more about my being over the map - I think there is a consistency, even if it's below the surface.

Finally, thanks for asking about a discussion group - it's flattering to be asked; tell me more, but I'm actually trying to cut down on the time spent, as it just gets to be an issue.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234

Finally, thanks for asking about a discussion group - it's flattering to be asked; tell me more, but I'm actually trying to cut down on the time spent, as it just gets to be an issue.
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You missread it he said a 'disgusting group' not a 'discussion group', think you'll fit in?
:shocked::laugh::roll::laugh:

 
Think about the past two winning Democratic presidents. Democrats should not risk losing because they nominated northern non-white-males.
 
If any liberals need a sobering thought about the voting habits of the American people, we need look no further than the election where:

A democrat from one of the wealthiest families in the nation, nationally famous, with movie-star looks for him and his wife, national fawning media attention treating them like celebrities, nationally known as a WWII hero, a Pulitzer prize winner and great speaker, versus a republican who had rumors of corruption, beady eyes, who had been VP but whose own preside, when asked during the campaign what the CP had done, said if you gave him a couple weeks he might be able to think of something - and who had wanted to dump the VP in the previous election.

It should have been a *blowout* for the democrat, but instead, the vote came in with a 0.1% margin for the democrat. I'm describing the Kennedy-Nixon election of 1960.
 
Obama has about as much chance of winning as Osama. Man I hope he doesn't run.

Have NOT investigated any potential candidates recently, but Obama was way off the mark on too many issues.

Last year when I checked... Evan Bayh was my then favorite choice from a rather medicore crowd of potentials.
 
My jury is definitely out in Obama---I did watch him on this week this morning---he has good voter appeal---is thoughtful and has some perspective on history and diplomacy, and part of his appeal if in not being a scripted attack dog of a candidate---a quality almost missing in politic today.

But I sure could not buy his answers on Iraq--too flip--too dismissive of the risks, and clueless on who will decide the questions he is answering--but by the time 08 rolls around, I suspect Iraq will have already made its decisions in the form of events.

Time will tell.
 
the sad thing about Hillary is that she'd win in a landslide if you could give her views / politics / voting record to someone with a different name.

I'm a big "no" on Obama... way too inexperienced. he'd make a nice VP canidate.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Which posts are you referring to dmcowen? I'd vote for Hillary over any republican on the table - she's just not my first choice for the nomination.

I'm actually not utterly thrilled with any of the democratic contenders, but Gore and Kerry are both great men and leaders who I'd happily support. It's virtually certain I'll vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. There was a time for 'pick the man, not the party', and that was before the republican party was hijacked.

Believe it or not, my first choice might be Ted Kennedy, but that's another topic. There's a man with the history and background to know how to make the major fixes needed.
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Craig, I thought you were trying to bring me out of my partisan box, and you make that statement hmmmm 😉
 
I still don't understand all the hillary hate.

everyone always made jokes during the 90's about how hillary was the real power behind the presidency, and I don't know... I thought the 90's were pretty great.
 
Isn't he a bit young?

Wouldn't it make more sense for Hillary to be running for President, with Obama as vice president?
 
I think it would make for an interesting primary. If Obama gets all the black vote and they show up in large numbers for the primary it would make it very difficult for Hillary or anyone else to run the table. (Of course Iowa and New Hampshire aren't exactly loaded with blacks.)

With 5 or 6 candidates (including Obama) he could come close to winning in a few early states and with the rest of the vote being split it would take some time for the field to narrow down to where it is just one on one. That could end up costing the candidate who wins a lot of money they could use in the national election.
Hillary or whoever would have to hope for a knock out blow in the first 2 states before Obama can get any traction with black voters and have a chance to turn the tide his way.
If it went into the south with 3 or 4 candidates and Obama it could get really ugly.

I think we should wait until after this election before talking about 2008 though.

IF the Democrats do not take control of the house next month then there is going to be a lot of bitching and infighting in the party. This could set up some major factional fighting in 2008. Image if the centrists blame the far left for losing this year and then pick someone they want for President, while the left blames the centrists and goes to Dean or some one like him in 2008 and then these groups engage in some kind of death match to the end with no one wanting to give any ground. What a horrible mess that would create, and I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.

Ps. If Bush took us out of Iraq before 2008 the anti-war left would lose a large amount of its hold on the party since they would not be able to run against the war. That could actually help the Democrats.
 
Well, Hillary has done next to nothing for upstate NY... Good riddens to her.
 
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