Obama changes "you can keep it" slogan, makes it seem like we misunderstood him

[dabuddha]

A cockroach politician lied? Color me surprised.

 

[mode101wpb]

It's FREE! Go to healthcare.gov today for your free healthcare!

It's free if you have an Obamaphone.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It won't, we'll blame Republicans again 🙂

Yes, I have no doubt. Regardless of what happens, you and your deluded ilk will blame "the other side." I believe I even saw that delusional buffoon Sebelius try to blame Republicans for the web site issues at one point. LOL!

 

[boomerang]

I remember when Bush 1 got all that flack for the "no new taxes" bs. Heaven forbid someone be wrong or change their minds. What was he supposed to do, not change his mind about anything? Thanks for not being an intelligent being sir!

My memory is not as good as it used to be and I'm hoping you'll remember. How many times after he raised taxes did Bush tell the nation he didn't raise taxes?

Last count I saw, Obama told us 29 times that we could keep out plan and our Doctor. Now I know fairness is a pretty big deal these days so if Bush lied 30 times about not raising taxes after he did raise them, clearly Obama is the winnar!

 

[BoberFett]

By starting down the path of forcing the young and healthy to subsidize health care. Previously they weren't putting much into the pot. This is a good start towards milking that untapped demographic.

Additionally it is taking the first tentative step squeezing the insurance companies out of the market. One we can get rid of them, cost savings will really start to kick in. Government triage of health care recipients is the ideal solution that we all are working towards.

Think of Obamacare as not the destination but tentative first step towards America's destination.

Does that help Bober?

It's not surprising that you consider US citizens as demographics to be milked. That's pretty much the mindset of the left nowadays. People are slaves to the government, we all exist solely to build your "great society".

It's also amusing that you think eliminating insurance companies will bring down costs, when there's little evidence of that ever being true.

It does help. It helps cement the fact that you and the rest of the loony left who suckle on Obama's sphincter believe he and the Democrats can do no wrong.

 

[BoberFett]

Did you want Obama to implement direct price controls?

Of course, a loony lefty jumps right to the one thing they believe is the answer to all problems: price controls.

It's not like price controls have ever caused a problem, right? Or created our healthcare system to begin with...

 

[BoberFett]

No, didn't you know we can fix all this just by limiting medical malpractice lawsuits?

In all seriousness I think the Democrats missed an opportunity on the lawsuit front. They should have included it in the bill as a sop to GOP and then when it did nothing to drive down costs they could have hammered the GOP with it. If it did drive down costs they would get credit for including it in the first place.

Bober really wants single payer with medical review boards determining if a visit to the doctor is warranted....(I jest)

Yet another post that could just as easily been replaced with "DEEEEERRRRRP!!!"

Truth in pricing is one place to start. What other industry can get away with not divulging the price of anything until after you receive service and get the bill?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Of course, a loony lefty jumps right to the one thing they believe is the answer to all problems: MORE GOVERNMENT

I went ahead and fixed that for you so it is more accurate.

 

[OutHouse]

Still playing gotcha politics are we? So the President said no one would lose their old plans is they "liked" (aka cheap) them and clearly that is not the case. Big f'in deal.

I remember when Bush 1 got all that flack for the "no new taxes" bs. Heaven forbid someone be wrong or change their minds. What was he supposed to do, not change his mind about anything? Thanks for not being an intelligent being sir!

By the way, anyone else like how the private health care companies haven't gotten any flack for this?

They are after all the ones raising the rates and cancelling the policies.

I have yet to se any good data explaining any of this.

@werepossum

I love when people try and defend Bush Jr. The mental gymnastics required are pretty special.

Big f'in deal? I dare you to say that to a few of the 4+ million people who lost their insurance and now have to pay over a grand a month. Yea no big deal, spoken like a a true moron.

 

[werepossum]

Yet another post that could just as easily been replaced with "DEEEEERRRRRP!!!"

Truth in pricing is one place to start. What other industry can get away with not divulging the price of anything until after you receive service and get the bill?

Amen. My doctor offered me a flue shot and when I asked him how much it cost, he looked at me like I'd grown a second head.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If you tell the service that you are not using insurance, they will disclose the cost up front or start making adjustments.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Amen. My doctor offered me a flue shot and when I asked him how much it cost, he looked at me like I'd grown a second head.

Flue shots for wife charging to insurance $50.
Flu shots for cash, $20

 

[bshole]

It's also amusing that you think eliminating insurance companies will bring down costs, when there's little evidence of that ever being true.

Excuse me a sec...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH choke snort.. cough...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!

CANADA and Western Europe don't exist in Bober's world.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO

It is funny in some respects and tragic in others. And these are the people who are impeding our progress. Completely and utterly clueless. Jesus H Christ, it isn't like we haven't brought up the health care systems in other first world nations in every other thread.

I WANT what THEY have! I don't want a bunch of Neanderthals keeping America in the stone ages.

Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."[9][10] A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.[11][12] Plus 70% of Canadians rated their system as working either "well" or "very well".[13]

A 2009 Harris/Decima poll found 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada[14] while a Strategic Counsel survey in 2008 found 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.[11][12]

A 2003 Gallup poll found 25% of Americans are either "very" or "somewhat" satisfied with "the availability of affordable healthcare in the nation", versus 50% of those in the UK and 57% of Canadians. Those "very dissatisfied" made up 44% of Americans, 25% of respondents of Britons, and 17% of Canadians.

 

[spidey07]

So move. America doesn't want what you're pushing. Just say no to socialism and communism.

 

[bshole]

So move. America doesn't want what you're pushing. Just say no to socialism and communism.

You move.... you are in the minority. More and more Americans are wanting socialized medicine. The Tea Party is a shrinking movement, the progressive movement on the other hand is growing.

 

[Angry Irishman]

You move.... you are in the minority. More and more Americans are wanting socialized medicine. The Tea Party is a shrinking movement, the progressive movement on the other hand is growing.[/


Yea the takers....not the makers. Don't worry Uncle Sam will make everything alright. 🙄 Move to fucking Norway or Iceland; just move away and progress somewhere else in your "utopia". If it weren't for those pesky folks impeding "progress". Damn them! At least you call ACA what it is...socialist progressive.

 

[theeedude]

I don't know how you expect them to pay for the new plans.

Subsidies and/or out of pocket.

 

[BoberFett]

Excuse me a sec...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH choke snort.. cough...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!

CANADA and Western Europe don't exist in Bober's world.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO

It is funny in some respects and tragic in others. And these are the people who are impeding our progress. Completely and utterly clueless. Jesus H Christ, it isn't like we haven't brought up the health care systems in other first world nations in every other thread.

I WANT what THEY have! I don't want a bunch of Neanderthals keeping America in the stone ages.

And if we painted oranges red, they'd be apples, right?

Single payer in the US does not mean health care magically gets cheaper.

 

[spidey07]

You move.... you are in the minority. More and more Americans are wanting socialized medicine. The Tea Party is a shrinking movement, the progressive movement on the other hand is growing.

Not when they are finding out the president lied to the American People's face when he said "if you like your plan, you can keep it" "if you like your doctor you can keep them" and they are now finding out they cannot.

A clear majority doesn't want obamacare and that number is growing. You're a fleeting minority that will die off soon.

 

[zinfamous]

Don't get distracted.

This is about all politicians lying to us and there being no repercussions. That has to change. Whether its removal from office, public shaming, losing their speaking privileges. ...something has to happen to them.

This one is big because its blatant.

I would hardly call it blatant. It is certainly fair to say that "You can keep your plan if you like it" remains accurate...assuming your plan continues to exist (it could disappear because of, or despite of the ACA). Lack of foresight? Sure.

Healthcare plans have changed and providers have disappeared on an annual basis long before the ACA showed up. This really isn't anything new.

It definitely looks like a cluster to me (which is expected), but I'll reserve judgment until it actually comes in to effect. mostly what I see is a bit of blind loyalty form one side, but primarily blowhard idiots with no evidence and very little understanding, expecting nothing but the 4 horsemen to show up and cart everyone off to Purgatory because of the ACA.


As for punishing lying politicians...really? The only way to fix that problem is to stop voting for politicians.

 

[spidey07]

People losing their insurance en masse because of federal legislation is extremely new and that is obama's, fuck be upon him, fault.

People need to be reminded that it's because of Obama that they lost their insurance even after he promised they could keep their plan. Bold faced lie he repeatedly told. Don't forget that fact.

 

[nehalem256]

And if we painted oranges red, they'd be apples, right?

Single payer in the US does not mean health care magically gets cheaper.

According to typical liberal ranting on single payer it costs half as much as US healthcare. Since half of all health care costs are paid by the government currently then logically implementing it should be possible without raising a dime in new taxes, and at the same time people and businesses will no longer have to pay for health care. Seems like an awesome deal.

So I wonder why the Obama didn't get up behind his teleprompter and say that Americans will never have to pay for healthcare again and we won't even have to raise taxes to do it? 😕

 

[bshole]

According to typical liberal ranting on single payer it costs half as much as US healthcare. Since half of all health care costs are paid by the government currently then logically implementing it should be possible without raising a dime in new taxes, and at the same time people and businesses will no longer have to pay for health care. Seems like an awesome deal.

Then why in the hell are you and the Tea Party getting in the way?

 

[theeedude]

People losing their insurance en masse because of federal legislation is extremely new and that is obama's, fuck be upon him, fault.

People need to be reminded that it's because of Obama that they lost their insurance even after he promised they could keep their plan. Bold faced lie he repeatedly told. Don't forget that fact.

We'll also be reminding people who are gaining insurance through Medicaid expansion and shall-issue rule that it's because of Obama.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You move.... you are in the minority. More and more Americans are wanting socialized medicine.

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