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Obama = Carter II

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irwincur said:
This is like a sad slow motion replay of the Carter years.

For the hipster losers out there that have no clue. Carter was the most worthless President this nation has ever seen - since Grover Cleaveland.
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Do you really think Obama could possibly be worse than Bush? It was under Bush's watch that our nation got into this mess and it was under Bush's watch that the United States' transformation into a third world country rapidly accelerated with Bush doing nothing to slow it. (Instead, Bush favored illegal alien amnesty and probably supported increasing the amount of foreign outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas.)

That having been said, I agree that Obama sucks in a "both the Democrats and the Republicans are bad for America" sort of way. I'm not convinced that Obama's any worse than what any of the other candidates would have been.
 
This thread is WAY off base.

Carter - made a shithole based his actions and decisions.

Obama - inherited a shithole and had no good options to get out.

Both do have to deal with a totally corrupt congress, but so do all presidents.
 
Bush was, at a minimum, the worst president since Warren G. Harding, and probably for all time. Even if Obama turns out to be an average President, he will exceed Bush by an immense margin. Even if he turns out to be a garden variety bad one, he will exceed Bush. He couldn't do worse than Bush by neglect or incompetence alone even. For that, he'd really have to try.

Regardless of where Carter stood policy wise, he was a micro-manager and an ineffective leader of government. However, he was at least twofold better than Bush.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
Regardless of where Carter stood policy wise, he was a micro-manager and an ineffective leader of government. However, he was at least twofold better than Bush.

- wolf
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Being at least twofold better than Bush really isn't saying much for Carter.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Bush was, at a minimum, the worst president since Warren G. Harding, and probably for all time. Even if Obama turns out to be an average President, he will exceed Bush by an immense margin. Even if he turns out to be a garden variety bad one, he will exceed Bush. He couldn't do worse than Bush by neglect or incompetence alone even. For that, he'd really have to try.

Regardless of where Carter stood policy wise, he was a micro-manager and an ineffective leader of government. However, he was at least twofold better than Bush.

- wolf
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I don't think micromanaging was his problem. What harm did that cause? We used to have JFK calling low level aides to get the 'straight scoop' he couldn't from high level officials.

We've had a lot more probelms from the other direction, those who don't run their governments or so they say.

Reagan - my administration has been running a campaign throughout the Americas doing WHAT? His 'head says the facts are right but his heart doesn't agree' about what his administration did was infamous.

George Bush stuttering his speechs out while letting Cheney run the government, just as he had been the 'hand shaker' partner in baseball while others ran the business, went badly.

Carter's problem seemed to be his leadership, inspiring confidence in the American people, mostly. Which is partly the American people's fault in not valuing some good things in a leader they should.

One problem a president faces is that hwen he's expected to play some heroic role defeating evli around the world, he can't just be 'a great president' not fighting a war somewhere.

Our presidents shouldn't be faced with enormous popularity boosts tempting them if they'll just fight a war somewhere, if they'll just demagogue.
 
I feel the op has a point , barry is an empty suit , never held a real job ANYFUCKINGWHERE (tell me where , I dare you )so he will most likey follow jimmy into obscurity , and be given some dipshit job he so richly deserves . His grade so far is F .
 
It's so hard to tell sometimes if the OP is a troll or just delusional.

I'm really not impressed at all with Obama, but blaming him for causing things that have been going on for years is pathetic.
 
I don't think it's fair to compare Carter to Obama, Carter wasn't that bad.


I remember a year ago when I would say that Obama was a Socialist leftist would go crazy defending him now a lot of them profess the wonderful aspects of Socialism.
 
Craig234 said:
Of course Carter was worse. Who:

- Increased the deficit more than all presidents before him combined?

- Put US Marines into Lebanon helping Israel, had 249 of them blown up, and left?

- Abandoned energy iundependance to embrace foreign oil and the profits for oil companies?

- Had an adminstration act as criminals to break the law and hide their actions from Congress, committing perjury, to fund death squads and terrorism in a number of countries?

- Chose the research for 'star wars' at the price of not getting an offered nuclear elimination treaty?

- Spoke to the nation on television and explained that while his head told him the evidence was right that his administration had illegally sold weapons for hostages, his heart said otherwise?

- Adopted anti-environmental, anti-labor, and harmful deregulatory policies leading to the S&L crisis?

- Ended the era of 'a rising tide raising all ships' and began the longest period in history of the bottom 80% of America getting none of the nation's growth after inflation?

- Ended the 'fairness doctrine' over the strong objections of the public and Congress?

- Lowered taxes on the rich, beginning a long period of increased concentration of wealth?

For a start.

But hey, he made some 'feel good'. Look at him eat jellybeans. Ha, ha. What a guy.

After all, backing people who rape and kill for 'our guy' makes ME feel 'strong' as a nation. You?

"The Contras are the moral equivalent of our founding fathers." No, that's not phony.

"Honey, let's buy that unsafe, broken car, because the salesman is so grandfatherly."
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I see your point. A good president is one that gets shit done. Carter didn't get shit done. No good shit, no bad shit.
 
Ozoned said:
I see your point. A good president is one that gets shit done. Carter didn't get shit done. No good shit, no bad shit.
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We disagree on the definition of a good president. I guess one that got a nuclear war started wouild be a GREAT president by your definition.
 
Craig234 said:
Well, we finally got an idiot post on this.

Carter lacked leadership, but his policies were far better than anyone since.

Carter *inherited* an economic mess from the war criminals Nixon and Ford (sound familiar?)

It was CARTER who put in place Paul Volcker who did so much to fix the economy - continuing under Reagan - the same Volcker who is NOW saying good advice Obama is ignoring.

One of many ways Obama is NOT Carter - to Carter's credit.

It was Carter who made human rights a priority in our foreign policy, and he was right. It was Carter who decreased our use of tyrrany for US influence, and he was right.

The mass murderering criminals before and after him can't hold a candle to that.

Even an area I am not endorsing - the Reagan backing of the Mujahideen to hurt the Soviet Union - turns out Carter started that policy, secretly.

Carter made energy independance a top national priority before it was cool - and his oil-linked successors reversed him, with big bad results. He was right and ahead of his time, sort of.

Not really - they were good ideas then - but he was promoting them before we're reurning now.

You didn't see the skyrocketing deficits, the backing of death squads, the criminality of Iran Contra, the corrupt deregulation of the financial industry leading to disaster, the war on the middle class.

You did see the Camp David peace accords, pretty much our only real middle east diplomatic accomplishment.

We'd better if Obama were more like Carter on policy.
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Sorry my friend, but I lived through Carter. He brought the USA to it's knees, and allowed every piss ant dictator on earth to run rough shod over us. I do believe he was an honest man that tried his best, but he simply wasn't cut out for the job.
 
Greenman said:
Sorry my friend, but I lived through Carter. He brought the USA to it's knees, and allowed every piss ant dictator on earth to run rough shod over us. I do believe he was an honest man that tried his best, but he simply wasn't cut out for the job.
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Me too, and I disagree. I've commented on the leadership problem, and you can read some versions of what happened with Iraq in the link I posted, but what other dictators 'ran roughshod over the US'?
 
Obama = Carter II

Carter was the worst president in my lifetime, LBJ is next, but BHO is close to winning this contest.
 
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