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irwincur

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This is like a sad slow motion replay of the Carter years.

For the hipster losers out there that have no clue. Carter was the most worthless President this nation has ever seen - since Grover Cleaveland.

Shit economy.
Puss ass foreign policy.
Scared of terrorists.
Owned by Iran.
Inflation tomorrow/today.
Punked by China.
Shit ass American cars.
Printing money.
Soon to be high interest rates.
Monkey butt exchange rates.

Wow, this is some real change. We changed back into 1979 USA.

Progress I can believe in... Err, change I can believe in...
 
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Eric62

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I don't think Obama's as bad as Carter - yet.
He kept Gates as S.O.D., mostly listened to our Generals (something Rumsfield/Bush should have done), and hasn't closed Gitmo.
 
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Craig234

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Well, we finally got an idiot post on this.

Carter lacked leadership, but his policies were far better than anyone since.

Carter *inherited* an economic mess from the war criminals Nixon and Ford (sound familiar?)

It was CARTER who put in place Paul Volcker who did so much to fix the economy - continuing under Reagan - the same Volcker who is NOW saying good advice Obama is ignoring.

One of many ways Obama is NOT Carter - to Carter's credit.

It was Carter who made human rights a priority in our foreign policy, and he was right. It was Carter who decreased our use of tyrrany for US influence, and he was right.

The mass murderering criminals before and after him can't hold a candle to that.

Even an area I am not endorsing - the Reagan backing of the Mujahideen to hurt the Soviet Union - turns out Carter started that policy, secretly.

Carter made energy independance a top national priority before it was cool - and his oil-linked successors reversed him, with big bad results. He was right and ahead of his time, sort of.

Not really - they were good ideas then - but he was promoting them before we're reurning now.

You didn't see the skyrocketing deficits, the backing of death squads, the criminality of Iran Contra, the corrupt deregulation of the financial industry leading to disaster, the war on the middle class.

You did see the Camp David peace accords, pretty much our only real middle east diplomatic accomplishment.

We'd better if Obama were more like Carter on policy.
 
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brblx

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i find it amusing that the the righties post something like this as a troll thread, when dems will agree, yes, he's exactly like carter- a decent president shit on by fundamentalist idiots.
 
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fskimospy

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So are the right wing crazies becoming stupider or just more desperate? What's the consensus? At least for this thread I'm going with stupid.
 
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I can't wait to be 40 years old, then I can make threads about all the Conservatives saying he'd be Carter II only to end up and be regarded as a fantastic president.
 
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Moonbeam

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They hate themselves and the democrats have temporarily taken their power away, power they were well on their way using to destoy America, as any self hating American will try to do. It is the nature of mental illness to destroy what you think you love.
 
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Craig234

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GroundedSailor said:
You mean even worse than Reagan???
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Of course Carter was worse. Who:

- Increased the deficit more than all presidents before him combined?

- Put US Marines into Lebanon helping Israel, had 249 of them blown up, and left?

- Abandoned energy iundependance to embrace foreign oil and the profits for oil companies?

- Had an adminstration act as criminals to break the law and hide their actions from Congress, committing perjury, to fund death squads and terrorism in a number of countries?

- Chose the research for 'star wars' at the price of not getting an offered nuclear elimination treaty?

- Spoke to the nation on television and explained that while his head told him the evidence was right that his administration had illegally sold weapons for hostages, his heart said otherwise?

- Adopted anti-environmental, anti-labor, and harmful deregulatory policies leading to the S&L crisis?

- Ended the era of 'a rising tide raising all ships' and began the longest period in history of the bottom 80% of America getting none of the nation's growth after inflation?

- Ended the 'fairness doctrine' over the strong objections of the public and Congress?

- Lowered taxes on the rich, beginning a long period of increased concentration of wealth?

For a start.

But hey, he made some 'feel good'. Look at him eat jellybeans. Ha, ha. What a guy.

After all, backing people who rape and kill for 'our guy' makes ME feel 'strong' as a nation. You?

"The Contras are the moral equivalent of our founding fathers." No, that's not phony.

"Honey, let's buy that unsafe, broken car, because the salesman is so grandfatherly."
 
Hayabusa Rider

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GroundedSailor said:
You mean even worse than Reagan???
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I was thinking GWB.

As Craig said there are a number of fair comparisons, and it starts with what they inherited.

In Carters case it was a combination of the war and Nixon's price and wage control. Remember that kiddies?

So the financial costs of the war coupled with market cost corrections caused the state of the economy Carter had to deal with and that can hardly be laid at his feet.
 
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Robor

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irwincur said:
This is like a sad slow motion replay of the Carter years.

For the hipster losers out there that have no clue. Carter was the most worthless President this nation has ever seen - since Grover Cleaveland.

Shit economy.
Puss ass foreign policy.
Scared of terrorists.
Owned by Iran.
Inflation tomorrow/today.
Punked by China.
Shit ass American cars.
Printing money.
Soon to be high interest rates.
Monkey butt exchange rates.

Wow, this is some real change. We changed back into 1979 USA.

Progress I can believe in... Err, change I can believe in...
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Looks like someone had a little too much to drink last night. Bravo on one of the more idiotic threads in P&N. :thumbsup:
 
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Craig234

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Hayabusa Rider said:
I was thinking GWB.

As Craig said there are a number of fair comparisons, and it starts with what they inherited.

In Carters case it was a combination of the war and Nixon's price and wage control. Remember that kiddies?

So the financial costs of the war coupled with market cost corrections caused the state of the economy Carter had to deal with and that can hardly be laid at his feet.
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Carter did not inherit the war in Vietnam, but he did inherit other economic problems.
 
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Craig234

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Oh, Irwin, you mention how bad things were in the 70's.

I have a question for righties who say there's no problem with executive compensation:

But first, would you say the US was a communist country in the 70's? A country without a private sector functioning?

Since it was not, let's look at a fact:

The top 100 companies' leader's pay in 1970 was 45 times the average worker.
The top 100 companies' leader's pay today is over a thousand times the average worker.

Now, is that because these leaders have been over 20 times improved compared to the rest of the company? (If the company were doing better you might thing all the employees would get raises).

Or, is it because the system has been corrupted?

How do you defend this change, that is unique to the US, not the rest of all the apparently crappy companies in the world?

Sure would hate to see that like it was back down to 45 times the average worker. Why, without all the incentives to do bad but profitable things, why would they?
 
GroundedSailor

GroundedSailor

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Hayabusa Rider said:
I was thinking GWB.

As Craig said there are a number of fair comparisons, and it starts with what they inherited.

In Carters case it was a combination of the war and Nixon's price and wage control. Remember that kiddies?

So the financial costs of the war coupled with market cost corrections caused the state of the economy Carter had to deal with and that can hardly be laid at his feet.
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Craig pointed out some of the things that people seem to have forgotten about Reagan. Sadly, like GWB, he got a second term. IMHO it's a tossup between Reagan and GWB for the title of worst president in modern times.

Carter was a good intentioned straightforward thinking man who was president at the wrong time in history.
 
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ayabe

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irwincur said:
Shit economy.
Puss ass foreign policy.
Scared of terrorists.
Owned by Iran.
Inflation tomorrow/today.
Punked by China.
Shit ass American cars.
Printing money.
Soon to be high interest rates.
Monkey butt exchange rates.
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1. Things are no better or no worse than they were a year ago, some things have gotten better some things worse, but overall it's about the same.

2. I'm sorry you feel so inadequate.

3. You're projecting.

4. We had an opportunity to forge a new relationship with Iran after 9/11, they offered to help us capture Bin Laden. We refused and put them in the Axis of Evil - their response was to ramp up their nuclear program. Funny how that works.

5. Inflation is very low right now and since you have such a weak grasp of history it's really hard for you to make credible predictions of the future.

6. There is nothing different about our relationship with China as compared to 5 years ago, we just owe them more money - which has been the case every year for the last decade.

7. Actually American cars are better now than they've been since 1979, Ford and GM are building/planning to build some seriously awesome vehicles. Looks like your knowledge of the car industry matches your capacity for understand the world you live in.

8. We've been printing money for a long, long time and we'll continue to do so.

9. Interest rates are still near the basement, I'd ask you to quantify "high interest rates" but I won't waste my time.

10. There are many things that factor into this, most of which have nothing to do with the POTUS.
 
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halik

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