Obama calls for 50 Billion in Infastructure Upgrades

[Exterous]

My issue is that - at least from what I can see in my state - the money isn't being used well. We are adding separate bridges over highways for bikers in areas that have little local population, removing regular stop light intersections in favor of round-abouts while other roads decompose and a number of bridges in the state are unsafe.

Of far more concern to me is why no money is being given to improve the electric grid. We ask more and more of a grid that is decades old. I would rather deal with less bike bridges and round-abouts than power issues from a 50 year old grid

 

[OrByte]

My issue is that - at least from what I can see in my state - the money isn't being used well. We are adding separate bridges over highways for bikers in areas that have little local population, removing regular stop light intersections in favor of round-abouts while other roads decompose and a number of bridges in the state are unsafe.

Of far more concern to me is why no money is being given to improve the electric grid. We ask more and more of a grid that is decades old. I would rather deal with less bike bridges and round-abouts than power issues from a 50 year old grid

I think the grid was addressed in the first ARRA program.

Alot of money went to energy

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

I started in the food industry. Birdseye 1969 0r 8 . Back than It was mostly whites and the quality was super high. The inspectors did there jobs a high pressure steam hose made sure everthing was clean talk about a job handle one of those hoses for a couple of hours . Today its a joke Few whites low quality and sanitation is an absolute joke . I started as box stacker . I finished as a CCM and vision aid tech . Than I formed my own business . Than I got sick . But I have had a really good life . Even tho I really sick now that last 3 years with my grandchild has been the best years of my life and daughter just rewarded me with another grandson last week and he is identical to his brother. I wish you guys could meet the child in my avatar . I am so proud of my work taking care of him that its almost sinful.Easily the best work and most rewarding work I have ever done and I don't get paid. Everyone who meets him are left gasping . He is brillant. If not for this child I pretty sure I be dead by now . Ya I worry about whats coming but the child has told me without me saying a word that God is inside him and says everthing will be oK grandpa. What hurts is when he talks to me about my health he says everthing is going to be ok grandpa God is strong in me. Nobody in my family talks about God with him NONE. Fact is when he asked grandma about God . She asked were you here about GOD . His reply was God told me. Wife said were is God he replied inside my heart. I cried like a baby.

So it's the black/asian/hispanic/non-white ethnic group fault? That means we can blame Obama!

Honestly, this post shows shows some insight into your deranged postings.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I was talking about 1969 vs today . I was talking about My experieance. Don't play the race card. I just stated the facts In 1969 America was about quality. today its about profits . When I was a kidd . I was out picking rocks in the fields . If you were raised as a pig you will be a pig.Labor is part of the quality equation. If you want cheap labor your going to get low quality products . But you will still have a products. Compare German quality to Chinas quality . Its a no show by China. Lead paint in toys toxic sheet rock . There was A time I could have compared German and american products. But that time is long gone . Why you brought Obama into this shows you have an agenda. Obama had nothing to do with it . Its about corporate America going for low wage base . and thats what we have now . Its all about profits at the cost of quality. Its very simple really . If you were raised in a third world country that who you will be forever its instilled . Has nothinf todo with race and everthing to do with idealism and how you were raised . Yes many pick themselves up and dust themselves off but that is rare .

Are all breeds of cats and dogs the same ?If ya don't believe in God you believe in humanity . But the fact is humans come in differant breeds Red white yellow black . We are NOT all the same.

You can live in your make believe world if you desire. But breed does matter as to who you are . You can put blinders on and say were all people and breed doesn't matter but everthing in nature says thats a lie. Now that doesn't make one breed better than the other . Even monkeys can be trained. But People of differant race are in fact differant . Each having there differant qualities. The environment your raised in will in the end determine who and what you are 90% of the time. Ya can clean a pig up but in the end its still a pig. So save your race card for some guilt filled white person were it might work . Its wasted on me . I don't have a racist bone in my body . I except equality in so far as equal rights . But all humans are not equal in abilities .

What someone in India calls clean does not = What a German calls clean . Its that simple .

 

[Craig234]

I was talking about 1969 vs today . I was talking about My experieance. Don't play the race card. I just stated the facts In 1969 America was about quality. today its about profits . When I was a kidd . I was out picking rocks in the fields .

Um, he's not playing the race card, when you deal a hand from the race deck, with:

"Today its a joke Few whites low quality and sanitation is an absolute joke ."

 

[spidey07]

Obama's warped view of how to help the economy is to hire union workers to dig a hole and then another team to fill it.

Look at all the jobs I created! I saved us from the brink of the worst disaster since the great depression! Make no mistake, I will not rest until every last union worker is digging or filling a hole!

 

[Modelworks]

The infrastructure in the country is in bad shape. Especially the roads and bridges. I don't see this creating a ton of jobs though because there are not currently thousands of people in those areas out of work. He is trying to copy what presidents did in the past when times got hard and it will not work with this generation. Those generations were a different type of worker. Most then were willing to do jobs that were manual labor or unskilled work, they came from farms and factories where manual labor was part of the job. There is nothing wrong with manual labor and I don't look down on people that do it, it is very hard work to be out in the sun all day working with things like asphalt, but I know many people do have a problem with it. They look down on manual labor and so will not flock to these jobs unless it is a last resort. The skilled positions for things like construction engineers and surveyors are not going to make a dent in unemployment. The unions will benefit from it more than anyone.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Obama wants to make sure we remember him for a long, long time.

 

[Modelworks]

Of far more concern to me is why no money is being given to improve the electric grid. We ask more and more of a grid that is decades old. I would rather deal with less bike bridges and round-abouts than power issues from a 50 year old grid

Or building more power plants. The ones we have are just as old. They will not improve the power grid because the majority is privately owned. That has been one of the major obstacles with fixing the problems. Company 1 doesn't want to improve their lines if Company 2 can use them too without paying for it. The result is Company 1 keeps their lines just good enough for their usage but if Company 1 has supply problems the connection from 1 to 2 will not be able to support the load.

Some companies are more responsible than others. Progress Energy has been a really good utility here in NC. They are building new nuclear plants and have started a new 400+ mile run of a new set of high tension lines.

 

[Jaskalas]

50 Billion, out of the 4 Trillion remaining to match WW2 military spending. If they think they're going to spend their way out of this depression, they're doing a piss poor job at getting us there.

 

[SammyJr]

He has a very valid point. How much of this is going to union labor? I'd say a conservative estimate of 90% would be damn close. I deal with major construction all the time.

How terrible that Union workers get jobs. I hear they are all in Al Qaeda and have horrible breath from drinking the blood of aborted babies.

 

[Craig234]

50 Billion, out of the 4 Trillion remaining to match WW2 military spending. If they think they're going to spend their way out of this depression, they're doing a piss poor job at getting us there.

Most credible economists I see say the stimulus needs to be a lot bigger. Most Republicans say it's way too big, and can filibuster it in the Senate.

 

[PokerGuy]

More wasted spending, more handouts to the unions. Yippeeeee!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Get people who are on medicaid and have those who can work do the unskilled labor. At the end of their shift a supervisor reviews their work and if it's good then they get paid. Two birds one stone.

 

[K1052]

Too much of the plans are bullshit, though.

Like here in Illinois we're going to build a high-speed train line from Chicago to St. Louis. The current line runs trains with a top speed of 80mph. We are going to spend over a billion dollars of our tax money to replace that line for a train with a top speed of *gasp* 110mph!!! What a damn waste of money if I ever saw one.

Don't you think for a billion dollars the goal should be the bullet trains that run max speed of 150-200mph? You know, something that would actually succeed in getting people to buy train tickets instead of driving?

It's one thing to say, hooray for infrastructure upgrades!!! The devil is always in the details.

225mph HSR would probably run 7-10 billion for a line connecting STL-CHI-MIL. A midwest network connecting those cities plus Detroit, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, etc.. would run substantially more.

Introducing 110mph service first will actually give local transit services (public and private) time to adapt and provide a more integrated service form rail hubs so that when 225mph comes along the services needed to support ridership are already in place.

 

[K1052]

As far as the Infrastructure Bank goes, it's about time. This country has trillions in backlogged infrastructure projects. Bridges, dams, locks, tunnels, mass transit, sanitation, roads, drinking water supplies, airports, flood control barriers, etc...

 

[Nemesis 1]

This country also has this . But you people rather debate this BS . Than face reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxsM5A23Iss

 

[KlokWyze]

We should increase the amount of money by a factor of 20 and give it to failing businesses instead! :awe:

 

[Fern]

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It's one thing to say, hooray for infrastructure upgrades!!! The devil is always in the details.

You beat me to it.

Infrastructure spending is something I support, but it must be done right.

I surprised and a bit disappointed none of this is for our bridges, which I understand to be in a generally deplorable state.

Since this for transportation type infrastructure specificially, I hope the DOT-type engineers have a great deal of input on where these funds are spent/allocated.

We have more infrastructure needs as well. In many communities all across the country the water systems are vey old. We waste far too much water, an increasingly scrace resource, from leakage etc.

Our power transmission infrastructure needs work too, it is now the greatest impediment to large scale renewable energy projects. T Boone Pickens, i.e., 'private money', has pulled out of his project due to lack of power transmission infrastructure to handle his project. When government investment leads to private investment you have that much sought after 'multiplier effect'.

Fern

 

[K1052]

You beat me to it.


I surprised and a bit disappointed none of this is for our bridges, which I understand to be in a generally deplorable state.


Fern

Since roads and rails often ride over bridges I don't see why bridge repair/replacement would not be eligible to receive funding or financing from such a bank.

 

[dainthomas]

I was talking about 1969 vs today . I was talking about My experieance. Don't play the race card. I just stated the facts In 1969 America was about quality. today its about profits . When I was a kidd . I was out picking rocks in the fields . If you were raised as a pig you will be a pig.Labor is part of the quality equation. If you want cheap labor your going to get low quality products . But you will still have a products. Compare German quality to Chinas quality . Its a no show by China. Lead paint in toys toxic sheet rock . There was A time I could have compared German and american products. But that time is long gone . Why you brought Obama into this shows you have an agenda. Obama had nothing to do with it . Its about corporate America going for low wage base . and thats what we have now . Its all about profits at the cost of quality. Its very simple really . If you were raised in a third world country that who you will be forever its instilled . Has nothinf todo with race and everthing to do with idealism and how you were raised . Yes many pick themselves up and dust themselves off but that is rare .

Are all breeds of cats and dogs the same ?If ya don't believe in God you believe in humanity . But the fact is humans come in differant breeds Red white yellow black . We are NOT all the same.

You can live in your make believe world if you desire. But breed does matter as to who you are . You can put blinders on and say were all people and breed doesn't matter but everthing in nature says thats a lie. Now that doesn't make one breed better than the other . Even monkeys can be trained. But People of differant race are in fact differant . Each having there differant qualities. The environment your raised in will in the end determine who and what you are 90% of the time. Ya can clean a pig up but in the end its still a pig. So save your race card for some guilt filled white person were it might work . Its wasted on me . I don't have a racist bone in my body . I except equality in so far as equal rights . But all humans are not equal in abilities .

What someone in India calls clean does not = What a German calls clean . Its that simple .

Thank you, Mel Gibson.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So were is it exactly that I am wrong , Were you around in the 50's were you didn't have to lock your doors. I doubt it. Life in america was much simpler and 10x better than today in America. Unless you lived it your clueless and can do nothing other than paste labels on people who see reality for what it is. Everone wants a better life. But thats something you have to work for . If all peoples are the same explain early americans productivity, Than its decline in quality production . Why is Mexico the same shit hole its always been . A nation is a sumation of its people .

Above I comparred China quality to German in the Machine Age , Let me expand on that . Lets go back 2,000 years . Were The Franks were nothing more than I bunch of small tribes of barbarians were as China was a Refined Nation . They had silk wonderful spicies Gun powder that was for fire works only . They never considered using it as a weapon , A very good thing . But soon white men came into China Marco . White turned that black powder into a killing machine . The chiness built the great wall to keep western peoples out the result being China men are pure breeds to the greater part. Weres as the west is nothing more than a bunch of mots , Today China is the True super power in the world Not the USA . Hell the USA couldn't build a wall like the chiness did . To keep our southern neighbors out. We are in decline and it will be 1 of the fastest declines in human history . We peaked in WWII and its been steady down hill ever since. I could go on and on about the rise and fall of nations . Migration being a great factor .

 

[dainthomas]

So were is it exactly that I am wrong , Were you around in the 50's were you didn't have to lock your doors. I doubt it. Life in america was much simpler and 10x better than today in America. Unless you lived it your clueless and can do nothing other than paste labels on people who see reality for what it is. Everone wants a better life. But thats something you have to work for . If all peoples are the same explain early americans productivity, Than its decline in quality production .

Sorry, but "the good old days" are a fallacy. Objectively speaking, the further back you go the worse things sucked by almost any measure.

The people most likely to think like this were young during the time in question. Since they liked being young better than being an old fogey, then times were obviously much better back then.

 

[woolfe9999]

Ah, the image of America and its allged utopian past. One of my favorite delusions.

- wolf

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

I'm more and more convinced that you can't trust a single thing any politician says about the bills they push. You have to read the bill itself.