Obama bombed today...

[ProfJohn]

Forgot one thing...

Europeans love Obama now for the same reason so many people in the states do. He is for change and the future and other wishy washy open ended ideas.

The second he takes over and his version of changes stops to match up with the European version of change they will stop loving him. It is inevitable that the US President suffers some level of dislike around the world because he looks out for the well-being of Americans and not Europeans etc.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
1) Nothing but sound bights: check
2) All style, no substance: check
3) Borrowed half his speech from JFK: check
4) Never consulted a German on his speech: check

It was just so embarrassing to watch. He would come to points where he'd expect Americans to clap and got nothing from the Germans. I swear, it was a speech designed for Americans, but delivered in Europe? Did he ask some German professionals about their concerns? Why not throw in some German words ala "Ich bin ein Berliner"? What was he thinking? Talking about the American heartland and "restoring the Union"? WTF? Union what? Union between people? Germans don't give a shit. What arrogance!

He totally bombed today. So much that nothing is mentioned about it on CNN's "Latest News" section. It's not even a headline under "Politics".

Topic Title: Obama bombed today...

Was this President Obama?

In their minds it is... They have little to offer more than the McSame - so this is what they do to feel better.....

Actually, it's worse than that. The Republican whores know that incumbent parties don't fare well in elections during economic downturns (especially after an unpopular administration), so they're trying to frame Obama and the Dems as the incumbents, and are 'acting as if' in every regard. It'd be comical if it weren't so insultingly stupid. If follow along, you can actually watch these brainwashed idiots constantly changing their talking points, with Orwellian amnesia as to any previous talking point, sometimes in just a few hours. For example, just yesterday we were supposed to be upset that Obama was even going to Europe at all. Now, it's he didn't pander to the Europeans to their satisfaction.
Their self-dishonesty begins with their nonobjective perspective on reality. They're already made their decisions, now they're just engaged in constant post-rationalization.

 

[conehead433]

Bombed? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I think having a President held on high regard by Europeans would be a good thing. The speech meant nothing really, but 200K Germans showed up to hear him speak.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Bombed? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I think having a President held on high regard by Europeans would be a good thing. The speech meant nothing really, but 200K Germans showed up to hear him speak.

Germans also buy David Hasselhoff CDs...

 

[nageov3t]

200k germans showed up to Hitler rallies too > >

(sorry, had to be said... even I'm ashamed of myself for saying it. )

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: conehead433
Bombed? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I think having a President held on high regard by Europeans would be a good thing. The speech meant nothing really, but 200K Germans showed up to hear him speak.

Germans also buy David Hasselhoff CDs...

... and they also build Mercedes and BMW's...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481
200k germans showed up to Hitler rallies too > >

(sorry, had to be said... even I'm ashamed of myself for saying it. )

I'm pretty sure these weren't the same Germans.

 

[Moonbeam]

Heil Obama does sort of have a ring to it though.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: loki8481
200k germans showed up to Hitler rallies too > >

(sorry, had to be said... even I'm ashamed of myself for saying it. )

Zing!

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: loki8481
200k germans showed up to Hitler rallies too > >

(sorry, had to be said... even I'm ashamed of myself for saying it. )

Zing!

Er, he just admitted he "zinged" himself.

 

[Lemon law]

Its horrible, shameful, and its totally embarrassing for that segment of the population whose name happens to be John McCain.

Of course its also a problem for his supporters also, as they reach new lows in decrying the Obama success.

Admit it you sour grapes McCain supporters, your candidate is challenged, and you would be thrilled if McCain supporters could collectively pack a single Volkswagen without leaving room to spare. 200,000 cheering people are quite beyond your grasp and reach, and that just blows your minds.

 

[Kirby]

What was he there for? I only caught the first minute or so.

<--first time voter

I was really hoping he would say, "Wir müssen John McCain ausrotten!"

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
1) Nothing but sound bights: check

'Bight' me, bozo. Your post fails at the start, then gets stupider.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do I feel like I fell asleep and missed the election?

Obama must be the first political candidate to ever venture overseas based on the amount of news coverage he is getting.

The whole thing just strikes of arrogance. Visiting Iraq and Afghanistan is a good thing and he needed to do it. But this European victory tour is beyond belief. Meeting with world leaders is good. Holding campaign rallies in foreign countries is bad.

I think you're just jealous. When McCain did his round in the Middle East and Europe, he only shook hands with their leaders.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do I feel like I fell asleep and missed the election?

Obama must be the first political candidate to ever venture overseas based on the amount of news coverage he is getting.

The whole thing just strikes of arrogance. Visiting Iraq and Afghanistan is a good thing and he needed to do it. But this European victory tour is beyond belief. Meeting with world leaders is good. Holding campaign rallies in foreign countries is bad.

I think you just hit on the point. Obama's campaign seems to have realized that his victory over Hillary gives him something unique that no candidate has had in a while, a huge, tough victory BEFORE the election. The media was focused on him because McCain wasn't doing anything interesting (at least not compared to the Hillary vs Obama fight), and if Obama can keep the momentum, he very well could make it seem like he's President already.

You might dismiss it as arrogant, but it's pretty smart if you ask me. The election ultimately comes down to who the voters can see being President, and if Obama can sell it better than McCain, then that's the ball game. The details of exactly what he does matter less than how it fits into the bigger picture.

Now I like Obama for political reasons, but I have to say that he's running a pretty intelligent campaign...while McCain is trying very hard to John Kerry things up for the Republicans. Sure, he's a nice guy who'd probably be good at the job...but you just can't see him behind the desk in the Oval Office...or at least that's the image being projected.

 

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[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do I feel like I fell asleep and missed the election?

Obama must be the first political candidate to ever venture overseas based on the amount of news coverage he is getting.

The whole thing just strikes of arrogance. Visiting Iraq and Afghanistan is a good thing and he needed to do it. But this European victory tour is beyond belief. Meeting with world leaders is good. Holding campaign rallies in foreign countries is bad.

I think you just hit on the point. Obama's campaign seems to have realized that his victory over Hillary gives him something unique that no candidate has had in a while, a huge, tough victory BEFORE the election. The media was focused on him because McCain wasn't doing anything interesting (at least not compared to the Hillary vs Obama fight), and if Obama can keep the momentum, he very well could make it seem like he's President already.

You might dismiss it as arrogant, but it's pretty smart if you ask me. The election ultimately comes down to who the voters can see being President, and if Obama can sell it better than McCain, then that's the ball game. The details of exactly what he does matter less than how it fits into the bigger picture.

Now I like Obama for political reasons, but I have to say that he's running a pretty intelligent campaign...while McCain is trying very hard to John Kerry things up for the Republicans. Sure, he's a nice guy who'd probably be good at the job...but you just can't see him behind the desk in the Oval Office...or at least that's the image being projected.

The media is doing what they do best and it's working. Obama would not have his 'Messiah' status without them fawning and printing front page stories every day.

 

[Stoneburner]

Prop John, didn't McCain give speeches in Canada and South America?

yeah, you did it again.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Prop John, didn't McCain give speeches in Canada and South America?

yeah, you did it again.

Not according to McCain

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Europeans love Obama now for the same reason so many people in the states do. He is for change and the future and other wishy washy open ended ideas.

He is for turning us into a bunch of socialist pussies, just like them; that is why they love him.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Obama bombed today

At least according to all the usual Republican hacks of this forum but they support Bush so their judgment has already been proven suspect.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

In an interview he gave to NBC last night, McCain specifically questioned Obama's decision to give a speech in Berlin:

"I would rather speak at a rally or a political gathering anyplace outside of the country after I am president of the United States," McCain said during the interview, which will air Thursday night. "But that's a judgment that Sen. Obama and the American people will make."

What the hell does this even mean?

McCain would rather wait to be president before speaking in a foreign country? Why? Where the hell is the logic in this statement? There is none - it is a meaningless statement.

I just love how, while Obama's talking to 200,000 Germans in Germany, McCain's bitching about Obama from a German restaurant in Ohio - this the same McCain who roundly complained about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, and who challenged Obama to go to Iraq. So, Obama goes to the Middle East, to the hot spots, to Europe, and does very well, and McCains bitching about that, too.

So, in a nutshell...McCain challenges Obama to visit Iraq and Afghanistan, to prove his foreign policy credentials. Obama takes up the gauntlet, makes a trip that was well-run, well-covered and wildly successful, and now McCain wants to complain about all the attention Obama is getting. Well, gee, John: you asked for it, and now you got it.

McCain once called his "base" the media which has been so friendly to him over the years, and now gripes that the media went off to cover Obama's overseas trip - which he encouraged, and which is certainly more attractive than McCain's pitches at midwestern supermarkets and cafes. Network anchors want foreign policy gravitas, too, and to have a presence in foreign capitals is good for their image, too. I don't know what McCain thought would happen if Obama made a world tour, but anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming.

What it really boils down to is McCain thought Obama would hit the road, flop and give him plenty of material for the campaign. Instead, Obama hits the right notes, including getting an thumbs up for his Iraq policy from the president of that now supposedly sovereign nation, and winds it up with a speech before 200,000 in Berlin. McCain couldn't draw an audience of 200,000 - anywhere - if he paid them, and that's what's got his goat.

From a glass house, the straight shooter throws stones...

 

[Jhhnn]

Obama bombs in Berlin... McCain bombs whenever he opens his mouth...

I'm detecting a pattern...

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
In an interview he gave to NBC last night, McCain specifically questioned Obama's decision to give a speech in Berlin:

"I would rather speak at a rally or a political gathering anyplace outside of the country after I am president of the United States," McCain said during the interview, which will air Thursday night. "But that's a judgment that Sen. Obama and the American people will make."

What the hell does this even mean?

McCain would rather wait to be president before speaking in a foreign country? Why? Where the hell is the logic in this statement? There is none - it is a meaningless statement.

I just love how, while Obama's talking to 200,000 Germans in Germany, McCain's bitching about Obama from a German restaurant in Ohio - this the same McCain who roundly complained about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, and who challenged Obama to go to Iraq. So, Obama goes to the Middle East, to the hot spots, to Europe, and does very well, and McCains bitching about that, too.

So, in a nutshell...McCain challenges Obama to visit Iraq and Afghanistan, to prove his foreign policy credentials. Obama takes up the gauntlet, makes a trip that was well-run, well-covered and wildly successful, and now McCain wants to complain about all the attention Obama is getting. Well, gee, John: you asked for it, and now you got it.

McCain once called his "base" the media which has been so friendly to him over the years, and now gripes that the media went off to cover Obama's overseas trip - which he encouraged, and which is certainly more attractive than McCain's pitches at midwestern supermarkets and cafes. Network anchors want foreign policy gravitas, too, and to have a presence in foreign capitals is good for their image, too. I don't know what McCain thought would happen if Obama made a world tour, but anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming.

What it really boils down to is McCain thought Obama would hit the road, flop and give him plenty of material for the campaign. Instead, Obama hits the right notes, including getting an thumbs up for his Iraq policy from the president of that now supposedly sovereign nation, and winds it up with a speech before 200,000 in Berlin. McCain couldn't draw an audience of 200,000 - anywhere - if he paid them, and that's what's got his goat.

From a glass house, the straight shooter throws stones...

QFT. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I hate it when a guy bombs in front of a croud of 200,000.

It's easy to get a big crowd when you throw a free concert first.

7:02 p.m.: Obama leaves his hotel to make his way to the Victory Column, where he is to give his speech. Around 100,000 people are reported to be awaiting him there.

++ Pop Concert for Obama Fans ++

6:33 p.m.: The tens of thousands of Obama fans are being entertained as they await the senator. The reggae musician Patrice kicked things off, followed by the rock band Reamonn.