Obama backing away from ending Don't Ask/Don't Tell?

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Dude shows Intelligence, Wisdom, and Pragmatism. Bush supporters respond with, "WTF is this shit?"

lol if a republican does it, he's a homophobe. When Obama does it, it's intelligence, wisdom and pragmatism.

 

[Farang]

There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski
Dude shows Intelligence, Wisdom, and Pragmatism. Bush supporters respond with, "WTF is this shit?"

lol if a republican does it, he's a homophobe. When Obama does it, it's intelligence, wisdom and pragmatism.

A Republican "did it"?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Dude shows Intelligence, Wisdom, and Pragmatism. Bush supporters respond with, "WTF is this shit?"

Is that going to be the common response when Obama backs away from his campaign bag of goodies? He is showing wisdom for lieing to you the masses for their vote.

I will agree with you he has wisdom, but probably not in the context nor the intent you wish

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

They won the election.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sandorski
Dude shows Intelligence, Wisdom, and Pragmatism. Bush supporters respond with, "WTF is this shit?"

Is that going to be the common response when Obama backs away from his campaign bag of goodies? He is showing wisdom for lieing to you the masses for their vote.

I will agree with you he has wisdom, but probably not in the context nor the intent you wish

time will tell

 

[jonks]

The Israeli military allows openly gay members and we all know what a clusterfuck that group is. I mean, the Israeli armed forces are such a joke!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

They won the election.

...and are now concerned with future elections.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

They won the election.

...and are now concerned with future elections.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Let the guy get sworn in at least.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari
loki has been severly critical of Obama lately. I wonder why.

Maybe because he isn't drinking the BHO koolaid and can see Obama for what he is - just another chicago politician.

And what have you been drinking the past eight years?

Nothing.

I most certainly have been critical of Bush over the last 8 years for what I feel he's done/doing wrong.

Biggest lie on this forum yet.

You've never been critical of your hero and still not critical of him and neither are your buds on here.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: loki8481

"I want to make sure that when we revert 'don't ask, don't tell,' it's gone through a process and we've built a consensus or at least a clarity of what my expectations are so that it works. My first obligation as the president is to make sure that I keep the American people safe and that our military is functioning effectively...Although I have consistently said I would repeal 'don't ask, don't tell,' I believe that the way to do it is make sure that we are working through a process, getting the Joint Chiefs of Staff clear in terms of what our priorities are going to be."

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/09/obama-clarifies.html (possibly nsfw ads)
http://ap.google.com/article/A...qBU-8kZ098naQD938NKRO0

is Obama taking the first steps towards backing away from and "clarifying" his position on DA/DT, or am I being paranoid?

From that it sounds to me like you are being paranoid. Note the language - WHEN he reverts is, i.e., he is committed to do so.

In fact, I heard over 100 senior officers just added political cover for him with a letterr encouraging him to fully integrate gays.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

Of all the things facing the nation, that one falls at maybe item #914275128941526323 of things to be done.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

You can be worried about it, I can understand how an issue important to you gets shelved. All I can say is I won't go along with your concern until its 2012 and hasn't happened yet. You're just applying a campaign slogan to a specific maneuver the new administration is making and that isn't fair.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

Of all the things facing the nation, that one falls at maybe item #914275128941526323 of things to be done.

You're right, dealing with institutionalized injustice in government is so 20th century. Let's move on to bigger and better things.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

Of all the things facing the nation, that one falls at maybe item #914275128941526323 of things to be done.

You're right, dealing with institutionalized injustice in government is so 20th century. Let's move on to bigger and better things.

First, I'd guess 50% of the population disagrees with you on whether it's injustice or not. Even if we assume for a second that it is, then it still falls so far behind the economy, war, jobs, energy etc etc etc, #914275128941526323 might be too high up.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

Of all the things facing the nation, that one falls at maybe item #914275128941526323 of things to be done.

You're right, dealing with institutionalized injustice in government is so 20th century. Let's move on to bigger and better things.

Priorities. IMO DA/DT is way down the list and below same sex marriage.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang
There are a lot of things that need to be done. His agenda can't be rushed through in one vote, so it is a matter of timing for him to be successful. I don't see him as being opposed to it, I just don't think the timing is right.

whatever happened to the urgency of now?

No offense but in the grand scheme DA/DT is not one of the major issues facing the country right now.

Of all the things facing the nation, that one falls at maybe item #914275128941526323 of things to be done.

You're right, dealing with institutionalized injustice in government is so 20th century. Let's move on to bigger and better things.

First, I'd guess 50% of the population disagrees with you on whether it's injustice or not. Even if we assume for a second that it is, then it still falls so far behind the economy, war, jobs, energy etc etc etc, #914275128941526323 might be too high up.

Or 25%...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...8/AR2008071802561.html

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: K1052

Or 25%...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...8/AR2008071802561.html

I stand corrected, that's a surprising number (to me anyway).

Of course, according to that article, it's a 50/50 split within the military itself.

Regardless, like I posted earlier, even if you assume it to be an issue, it's not even remotely near the important issues to be tackled right now.

 

[nageov3t]

it's not like it's an either/or thing, Obama's ability to multitask was cited pretty frequently on the campaign trail.

 

[OCGuy]

:music: Change change change
Obama's gunna change
change change change :music:


Oh this is getting fun now.....


Whats that you say? Not raising taxes on the rich?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's not like it's an either/or thing, Obama's ability to multitask was cited pretty frequently on the campaign trail.

According to the article I read, Clinton tried to do what you want when he took office (quickly get gays in) and that ended up as don't ask don't tell because he didn't do it right

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
:music: Change change change
Obama's gunna change
change change change :music:

Oh this is getting fun now.....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4383...99dc-0000779fd18c.html">Whats that you say? Not raising taxes on the rich?</a>

Yes we get it, if he sticks to his pledges you call him a socialist, if he moderates his positions he's a hypocrite. It's not like you'd support him either way. Or perhaps you weren't listening while he was running when he said change doesn't happen immediately, that it will take time, that we need patience, that there will be false starts and set backs. Only righty wingbats who call him the Messiah expected some monumental immediate implementation of communist ideology. The rest of us were quite aware he is a politician and has to deal with Congress.

Rush & co are so busy criticizing before he even takes office. "His policies will destroy the country!" When Obama then hesitates before implementing the very policies they are against, instead of complimenting the caution they cackle, "Ha! He's a liar and a hypocrite!"

So when you have something legitimate to complain about, you know, when he starts destroying our civil liberties, appointing woefully unqualified people to vital national positions, starting unjustified wars, condoning torture, and abusing executive privilege, then feel free to vent.

But you'd better come up with something better than quips that he isn't leaping to enact every campaign promise (before he's even sworn in) in the midst of the greatest economic crisis in generations.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
:music: Change change change
Obama's gunna change
change change change :music:

Oh this is getting fun now.....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4383...99dc-0000779fd18c.html">Whats that you say? Not raising taxes on the rich?</a>

Yes we get it, if he sticks to his pledges you call him a socialist, if he moderates his positions he's a hypocrite. It's not like you'd support him either way. Or perhaps you weren't listening while he was running when he said change doesn't happen immediately, that it will take time, that we need patience, that there will be false starts and set backs. Only righty wingbats who call him the Messiah expected some monumental immediate implementation of communist ideology. The rest of us were quite aware he is a politician and has to deal with Congress.

Rush & co are so busy criticizing before he even takes office. "His policies will destroy the country!" When Obama then hesitates before implementing the very policies they are against, instead of complimenting the caution they cackle, "Ha! He's a liar and a hypocrite!"

So when you have something legitimate to complain about, you know, when he starts destroying our civil liberties, appointing woefully unqualified people to vital national positions, starting unjustified wars, condoning torture, and abusing executive privilege, then feel free to vent.

But you'd better come up with something better than quips that he isn't leaping to enact every campaign promise (before he's even sworn in) in the midst of the greatest economic crisis in generations.

We are free to comment on this because it is people in HIS camp releasing policy information before he is sworn in. Deal with it.

What does letting a homosexual in the military be out of the closet have to do with the economy? This should be good.

Oh, and congrats on the nomination. I'm pulling for you. :laugh: