Obama approval rating all time high

[0marTheZealot]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/

The GOP has a serious image problem. I don't want a one-party political system either, but the way the Republicans keep making misstep after misstep, it's going to end up that way. Plus, after the way the Republicans raped America during the past 8 years, I'd rather have a one party system. We need more Goldwaters and Eisenhowers and less Bushs/Nixons/Reagans.

Look at the poll results, people are waking up to the GOP's two-faced lies. A majority thinks the GOP is opposing Obama for political gain, not because of ideology. How can you repair such a massive blow? Is it even possible? One of the strongholds the Republicans used to have, that is, the economy, no longer resonates with voters.

Truth be told, it looks like the American system is undergoing another political shift. I think the GOP is probably done in it's current form. We'll probably see a fractioning of the party along fiscal conservatives types and social conservative types. Bush/Rove went from envisioning a conservative supermajority to the current era where conservatives are going to be a superminority, all in the span of 8 short years.

 

[spidey07]

This will continue VERY quickly.

"But the poll also shows potential dangers for Obama and the Democrats. For instance, there's a sizable gap between the president's personal popularity and the popularity of his policies."

 

[Slew Foot]

Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

Pretty much. He is doing what is popular, not what is right. Big difference.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

You have to stand up for what is right to do, and that's what the Rs are doing. Their constituents are telling them what to do. Stop this shit, NOW.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

The problems with your line of thinking are numerous.

1. You believe that if the economy recovers (which it eventually will), it will be because of Obama's 'stimulus' bill. This is a load of BS as most reputable economists have said that his stimulus package will do almost nothing to stimulate the economy.

2. You believe that the GOP is against Obama just to be contrary to the Dems. This may be true, but I don't believe so. The dems are being incredibly wreckless right now since they have a majority and can do whatever they want. This is not good and there are many things that should be opposed or at least challenged.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

Pretty much. He is doing what is popular, not what is right. Big difference.

Alot of people (economists too *shocker*) are saying he is doing the right thing by pumping billions into the economy.

shrug.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

You have to stand up for what is right to do, and that's what the Rs are doing. Their constituents are telling them what to do. Stop this shit, NOW.

That's the problem though. Their constituents think they are playing politics.

Plus, there was little outrage when Bush was doing the same reckless spending. At least Obama is trying to produce revenue streams. You may not agree with his policies, but he's making an effort to fund his projects (eg cap/trade systems, repealing Bush tax cuts on 250k+ earners, reducing defense spending, drawing down the war in Iraq). Bush & Co. spent, spent, spent, without even trying to increase revenue.

And if the GOP really stood up for what it believed in, they should refuse the bailout money. It'd even setup an experiment. No stimulus money vs stimulus money. If the GOP is right, then states that refused the money should be no worse off than those that accepted the money. However, the only GOP governor I've heard that refused any bailout money is Jindal and that was a paltry 100 million dollars (out of 37 something billion). It seems to me that the GOP is playing politics. Be agains the bailout in principle, but accept the money. Doesn't that go against GOP principles?

The problems with your line of thinking are numerous.

1. You believe that if the economy recovers (which it eventually will), it will be because of Obama's 'stimulus' bill. This is a load of BS as most reputable economists have said that his stimulus package will do almost nothing to stimulate the economy.

2. You believe that the GOP is against Obama just to be contrary to the Dems. This may be true, but I don't believe so. The dems are being incredibly wreckless right now since they have a majority and can do whatever they want. This is not good and there are many things that should be opposed or at least challenged.

Well, regarding #1, I've seen both arguments from economists. Some say it'll provide a jolt to job creation that can snowball into a recovery down the road. Others say it won't do anything. I don't know enough economics to make a real decision, so I'm waiting and seeing on the results.

In response to #2, I haven't seen the Dems overreach yet, but perhaps I don't think UHC/education is as radical as you do. Not a dig or anything at you either. We just have different definitions of overreaching. And we do need sensible debate in government. The GOP should provide that. Can they do that effectively though? Maybe, maybe not, I think 2010/2012 will be a good litmus test.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Be agains the bailout in principle, but accept the money. Doesn't that go against GOP principles?

It does. But at the same time if people are hurting (states) they have a hard time "looking a gift horse in the mouth". Even if that gift is a trojan horse.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

Pretty much. He is doing what is popular, not what is right. Big difference.

As much as it pains me to admit this, you are right. Obama has made a huge, huge blunder buying into the bailouts. If they fail, he will be the most reviled human being on the planet.

And, how are they going to keep bailing out these banks and corporations? How many times will we bail out Citi, AIG, GM, Ford? Where is the stop loss order? Also, many of the toxic assets banks hold may be worth NOTHING, while the banks are thinking they are worth SOMETHING. How much NOTHING is there? No one knows. If you aren't scared or worried, you are a FOOL!

So, Obama has gambled with our lives, our money, and our children and grandchildren's lives and money for short term political gain with a remote possibility of success. He is doing exactly what he has been criticizing corporate American executives for doing-taking short terms gains for the sake of money and/or power.

The only hope for America is to pull back from these bailouts and other reckless spending like the porky bill that just passed the Senate. We need to spend our money wisely, not on things like understanding why pigs smell!!

These are LIBERAL principles and these are CONSERVATIVE principles, because this is common sense. There is nothing wrong with old fashioned fiscal prudence.

America is totally lost because our leaders have lost their way. I love Obama, and wish him the best, but he's bungled the bailouts and probably his legacy and our financial well being to boot.

I really think the time for human beings to remain at the top of a long line of species is drawing to a close. We will soon turn the planet back to the cockroaches and crocodiles. It may be Pakistan, or N. Korea, or Iran, or just some crazy man somewhere....or, we will all starve to death because someone thought they could bail out their buddy on Wall Street.

-Robert

 

[jpeyton]

The GOP is screwed, especially with Fatbaugh at the helm.

They're shooting for permanent minority status.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

True, but the New Deal did a lot to alleviate the Great Depression. It wasn't the cure, but it sure as helped with the symptoms. That's why historians laud FDR's policies while deride Hoover's.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

That's a controversial old saw dragged out by Republicans like some town drunk paraded to show the sins of drinking. Why do you wing nuts keep bringing it up as though it's the Rosetta Stone of economics? If it's true at all it has limited applicability because this economic downturn has special problems Roosevelt could not have faced.

-Robert

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

Absolutely wrong. After GDP decreased by nearly 30% from 1929 to 1933, when Roosevelt's presidency and the New Deal began, GDP increased rapidly, at double digit growth rates, reaching a new record in 1936 along with new records for income and investment.

This lie has been showing up more and more lately.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

True, but the New Deal did a lot to alleviate the Great Depression. It wasn't the cure, but it sure as helped with the symptoms. That's why historians laud FDR's policies while deride Hoover's.

Yes. Millions of people got jobs and a paycheck. My father was one of them. He worked in the CCC when he was 18. He couldn't get a job anywhere else.

-Robert

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The GOP is screwed, especially with Fatbaugh at the helm.

They're shooting for permanent minority status.

I hope for Rush in Reverse. I want to see the Republicans fail, but if Obama keeps blundering on the economy, he will hand the next election to someone else's party.

-Robert

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

Pretty much. He is doing what is popular, not what is right. Big difference.

Alot of people (economists too *shocker*) are saying he is doing the right thing by pumping billions into the economy.

shrug.

Pumping money into the economy is the solution. However, you need to spend wisely. Obama is spending wrecklessly. He is spending billions on political programs rather than on getting us out of this slump.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

The countdown clock is ticking. The GOP is on life support. They have a couple more years to completely reverse public opinion about their party, and to find a candidate with enough political prowess to defeat Obama.

The problem with their approach is that they don't control their own destiny. They're putting the fate of the GOP into Obama's hands. They're making it his election to lose all over again.

Obama and his administration are fine being on the offensive. They were in the driver's seat for the 2008 election, and from the comments by conservatives in P&N (which basically echo those of Fatbaugh), it sounds like he'll be in cruise control in 2012.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

The problems with your line of thinking are numerous.

1. You believe that if the economy recovers (which it eventually will), it will be because of Obama's 'stimulus' bill. This is a load of BS as most reputable economists have said that his stimulus package will do almost nothing to stimulate the economy.

2. You believe that the GOP is against Obama just to be contrary to the Dems. This may be true, but I don't believe so. The dems are being incredibly wreckless right now since they have a majority and can do whatever they want. This is not good and there are many things that should be opposed or at least challenged.

what economists are you talking about? ron paul?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

What about the reverse? What happens if this stimulus bill actually does perk the economy up? Much like how FDR's New Deal did with the Depression, what happens to the GOP then? Then they look like real losers. The GOP is playing political Russian roulette by categorically being against Obama. Sure, it might work if Obama fails miserably. However, if Obama succeeds, bam, that's it I think.

FDR's did nothing to to perk up the economy.

It took WW2 to end the great depression, a war that started 8+ years after FDR took office.

employment dropped by ~12% in fdr's first term. A second recession occurred in 1938, which removed much of those gains. That recession occured because the governemnt severely cut back on many of its programs.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Plus, there was little outrage when Bush was doing the same reckless spending. At least Obama is trying to produce revenue streams. You may not agree with his policies, but he's making an effort to fund his projects (eg cap/trade systems, repealing Bush tax cuts on 250k+ earners, reducing defense spending, drawing down the war in Iraq). Bush & Co. spent, spent, spent, without even trying to increase revenue.

That's why his 2013 deficit is higher than 7 out of 8 of bush's deficits, right?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Once people realize they have to pay for the shit they bought, the crap will hit the fan. Again.

Pretty much. He is doing what is popular, not what is right. Big difference.

Alot of people (economists too *shocker*) are saying he is doing the right thing by pumping billions into the economy.

shrug.

Pumping money into the economy is the solution. However, you need to spend wisely. Obama is spending wrecklessly. He is spending billions on political programs rather than on getting us out of this slump.

what would you prefer he do?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Plus, there was little outrage when Bush was doing the same reckless spending. At least Obama is trying to produce revenue streams. You may not agree with his policies, but he's making an effort to fund his projects (eg cap/trade systems, repealing Bush tax cuts on 250k+ earners, reducing defense spending, drawing down the war in Iraq). Bush & Co. spent, spent, spent, without even trying to increase revenue.

That's why his 2013 deficit is higher than 7 out of 8 of bush's deficits, right?

hopefully he'll get some sense and raise taxes before then.