Obama And "Gender Identity Expression" (Cross Dressing etc)

Butterbean

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In a few recent posts I have mentioned that Obama supports legal protections that would extend to "cross-dressers" and a whole bunch of other behaviors. I get the usual gaseous emanations about how I "made it up..right wing plot to make BO look bad bla bla ". As usual though the record shows BO does in fact support legal protection for "gender identity expression". Not just "gender" mind you - "expression" is the key word.

Not even Barney Frank supported laws that would force recognition of gender identity expression - not even Barney Frank.

First this from BO's site:

"Obama and Biden will work to overturn the Supreme Court's recent ruling that curtails racial minorities' and women's ability to challenge pay discrimination. They will also pass the Fair Pay Act to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/civil_rights/

So there it is - "gender identity expression"



Laws protecting such behavior would mean protections for things like cross-dressing and
allowing people to use the restrooms and dressing rooms they prefer - these are things the trans agitators want. Barney Frank mentioned this as a reason he could not support gender identity expression as a civil right protected by the Employment Nondiscrimination Act (EDNA) .


It's easy to see where the trans agitators want to go by looking at school and employment guidelines in California from the National Center for Lesbian Rights and the Transgender Law Center (Yale University Initiative for Public Interest Law being a sponsor)


Restroom accessibility:

"All employees have a right to safe and appropriate restroom facilities. This includes the
right to use a restroom that corresponds to the employee?s gender identity, regardless of
the employee?s sex assigned at birth. No other employee?s privacy rights are
compromised by such a policy."

Dress Codes

"California state law explicitly prohibits an employer from denying an employee the right to dress in a manner suitable for that employee?s gender identity. While the most efficient way to avoid liability on this issue is to do away with all dress codes based on gender, any employer who does enforce gender based dress codes must do so in a non-discriminatory manner. This means not only allowing a transgender woman (for instance) to dress the same as other women, but that her compliance with such a dress code cannot be judged more harshly than the compliance of non-transgender women".


Sex segregated job assignments:

AB 196 does not prohibit an employer from making job assignments based on sex so
long as those assignments are otherwise in compliance with state law. However, in most
cases, transgender employees must be classified and assigned in a manner consistent with
their gender identity. (in other words an employer can give jobs based on being a man but if a woman says she is a man she must be included - this is mental illness)


http://transgenderlawcenter.or...1%20-%20full%20doc.pdf


Places have already been sued for not allowing trans peeps and cross-dressers access to the restrooms and dressing rooms they want.

"Loehmann?s settles human rights complaint with transgender woman"

http://www.chelseanow.com/cn_2...mannssettleshuman.html


Keep in mind now GID or gender identity disorder is still in the DSM as the disorder it is

http://www.mhsanctuary.com/gender/dsm.htm



BO would elevate a disorder to a protected status and force employers and schools to jump through very bizarre hoops ( its no wonder jobs go to China with junk like this)

BO is most radical supporter of gender identity expression - a reason the sex alphabet obsessives (GLBTQXYZ) made him the candidate over Shrillary.


"He also vowed to work towards passing the ?strongest possible bill? to help the LGBT community and claimed to be probably the most vocal presidential candidate on gay issues to the general audience in history."

"The transgendered community has to be protected. I just don't have any tolerance for that sort of intolerance. And I think we need to legislate aggressively to protect them."


http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

Keep in mind a lot of the behavior protections use terms like "real or perceived" - as in a persons real or perceived gender identity and expression


"?It?s time to live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. Let?s enact federal civil rights legislation to outlaw hate crimes and protect workers against discrimination based upon sexual orientation and gender identity or expression."

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid55553.asp


Of course Obama perverts the meaning of the "founding promise" of the US to mean 99.9 percent of population needs its rights compromised for cross-dressers and such. Its weird man...very very weird
 
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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Of course Obama perverts the meaning of the "founding promise" of the US to mean 99.9 percent of population needs its rights compromised for cross-dressers and such. Its weird man...very very weird

How are your rights compromised?
 

manowar821

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Here's the key moment, butterfuck. Ask yourself, does this hurt anyone? Or is it just a matter of whether or not to deny THEM rights? Them meaning cross-dressers.
 

AAjax

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Here's the key moment, butterfuck. Ask yourself, does this hurt anyone? Or is it just a matter of whether or not to deny THEM rights? Them meaning cross-dressers.

Chill out, the name calling thing in such terms is against p/n rules.


 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: AAjax
Originally posted by: manowar821
Here's the key moment, butterfuck. Ask yourself, does this hurt anyone? Or is it just a matter of whether or not to deny THEM rights? Them meaning cross-dressers.

Chill out, the name calling thing in such terms is against p/n rules.

you need to chill dude!!
I think it`s funny the way the guy nailed the dudes name!!
 

OCGuy

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Im sure women will LOVE that dudes in chick clothes would be protected. I cant wait until the first fetish porn site guy puts on a dress and ransacks women's bathrooms.

Some people are sick.
 

RichardE

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Butterbean making a thread bashing gays and lesbians and Obama at the same time?

Say it say so joe, gosh gee, what will all those hockey moms and joe sixpacks do with a government that recognizes even more minorities! :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Im sure women will LOVE that dudes in chick clothes would be protected. I cant wait until the first fetish porn site guy puts on a dress and ransacks women's bathrooms.

Some people are sick.

There was an instance here in Scottsdale, Arizona of a transgender suing due to being denied access to the women's restroom,..

Basically the nightclub owner was losing female patrons since they didn't want the "male" in there. These lawsuits are becoming more common place and they are really twisting the law for their own agenda.

I am sorry but people like this are imposing their "rights" on the "rights" of others. I think it is sad, but our country is now going to have to deal with more and more of these lawsuits that come about based on the decision of the person to change who they are and cry foul when they feel they are treated without special care for their decision.

I have no problem with people making choices that effects them, but they have to deal with what those choices may bring about and understand it does not give them right to impose their lifestyle upon anyone else.

 

NeoV

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and this affects .000000001 percent of the population - but it's a worth discussing?

How exactly to they plan to over-rule SC rulings again?
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
BO would elevate a disorder to a protected status and force employers and schools to jump through very bizarre hoops ( its no wonder jobs go to China with junk like this)

You really have no understanding of economics. Nothing will prevent our jobs from going to labor rich countries in low trade barrier environments. Everyone one of us could be a "Butterbean" (God help us) and we'd still lose all labor intensive jobs that are geographically independent.

I suggest you begin with this.

Maybe you can learn something instead of regurgitating whatever you see on Fox News.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Im sure women will LOVE that dudes in chick clothes would be protected. I cant wait until the first fetish porn site guy puts on a dress and ransacks women's bathrooms.

Some people are sick.

OH NO!!

Think of all of the gender neutral restrooms that Europe has had for years and that US colleges are adopting being utilized by BOTH...men and women!

Your Puritanical morals aside, this is already happening and there is not only no uproar about it, but an actual embracing of it in most cultures.
 

BurnItDwn

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Seems like the trolls like to come out from their bridges more and more these days.
 

umbrella39

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OK someone's parody account is on fucking overdrive. Enough already. More readie less postie OP.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Of course Obama perverts the meaning of the "founding promise" of the US to mean 99.9 percent of population needs its rights compromised for cross-dressers and such. Its weird man...very very weird

How are your rights compromised?

I have a business - why should I have to make provisions (under threat of law) for someones
disorder as if it were not a disorder but just another "hue in the rainbow" of diversity. What sense does it make on one hand to be liable for harrasment lawsuits just for bad jokes that might make a woman uncomfy and then to also have to allow cross-dressers into the women's bathroom.

It all makes no sense of course and that sort craziness was intended by the cultural Marxists like Henri Marcuse (Frankfurt School) who sought to use fringe groups to erode stability of the central institutions. Our own laws are being used against us to intentionally destabilize norms. Needless to say none of this has a place in schools but such sideshows have already become a common issue.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Here's the key moment, butterfuck. Ask yourself, does this hurt anyone? Or is it just a matter of whether or not to deny THEM rights? Them meaning cross-dressers.

Of course it hurts people. You don't sound healthy yourself so no wonder you have to ask.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: manowar821
Here's the key moment, butterfuck. Ask yourself, does this hurt anyone? Or is it just a matter of whether or not to deny THEM rights? Them meaning cross-dressers.

Of course it hurts people. You don't sound healthy yourself so no wonder you have to ask.

Still waiting on a couple links to those websites where you say 'normal' people who think like you hang out. Since they are 'normal' there should be loads of them, why the delay in providing links? Help us help ourselves Butterbean, we just want to be normal.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: dsity
is this supposed to be bad?

It's always bad if most people lose healthy rights to the unhealthy compulsions of a few. In UK teachers have been told not to say "Mum and Dad" because its "heter-sexist" and may be offensive - that's total insanity. 99.96 of people need to have their normality compromised for the ego salvation of a few oddballs. This is a reason why we are falling - the bats are in the belfy (and the gov.)
 

RightIsWrong

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And where did you study for your clinical psychology doctorate Butterbean?

You are pretty adamant that this is a disorder. I'm wondering where your published work is so that I can view the methodology that you applied to come to that determination.

Also, you might want to actually do some studying up on some of the "isms" that you so frequently throw about. Most of the time, the point that you are trying to make and the ideology that you are attributing it to aren't even in the same area code.

You also might want to do a historical analysis of what the "norms" of days gone by were. You will see that the majority of them were long past deserving being abolished. Just because something is the "norm" doesn't mean that it is even remotely just.
 

nageov3t

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makes sense...

Obama is black because he thinks of himself as black, how is it any different than a M->F transexual who thinks of "herself" as a woman?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And where did you study for your clinical psychology doctorate Butterbean?

You are pretty adamant that this is a disorder. I'm wondering where your published work is so that I can view the methodology that you applied to come to that determination.

Also, you might want to actually do some studying up on some of the "isms" that you so frequently throw about. Most of the time, you aren't even the in same area code of the ideology with the point you are trying to make.

You also might want to do a historical analysis of what the "norms" of days gone by were. You will see that the majority of them were long past deserving being abolished. Just because something is the "norm" doesn't mean that it is even remotely just.

I'm pretty sure that before Butterbean does anything else he should up his dose of lithium.