Obama and Boehner: Who Do You Agree With?

[her209]

Why should the rich pay less taxes than the poor and middle class,that makes no sense . I do feel that there is much not being disclosed about the deficit .The social programs are not what is causing this .Government should be required to be honest to the people.There are many spendings that are not told to the people.Don't we have a right to see all the financial books of this country since we pay the bills?I wonder if the IRS has the right to audit Washington and be truthful about it.Plus the Federal Reserve rip off artists.:\

Start with this:

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The Republicans have convinced large swathes of Americans that their tax dollars are handed out to crackhead welfare queens. The Democrats have convinced many Americans that a professional couple, each making $125k/year, isn't paying 'its fair share.'

Neither Obama nor Boehner mentioned the capital gains tax, did they?

Obama did reference hedge fund managers paying a lower rate than their secretaries.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Why should the rich pay less taxes than the poor and middle class,that makes no sense

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

The top 1% of taxpayers paid 33.7% of all individual income taxes
...
the top 5% of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8%) of all individual income taxes
...
Taxpayers who rank in the top 50% of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Obama lost the battle when he chose to engage. The simple message to Congress should have been "You already voted for deficit spending, now raise the debt limit to cover the law you passed." Negotiations on future spending and taxes should never have been entertained as part of the debt ceiling debate. The result of this strategic error on Obama's part is the current faux crisis.

What choice did he have. That has been stated in the past and fell on deaf ears. The GOP made it clear this would be a drawn out fight if they didn't get exactly what they wanted.

 

[Blackjack200]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

Yeah, that's because we have a two tiered economy and the bottom 50% are flipping burgers and fluffing pillows for shit money.

 

[woolfe9999]

Both were right and wrong about some things, but the core issue is that both accuse the other of being uncompromizing, and that resolves on the following point: of all the various plans that have been kicked around, can anyone name a single plan involving even a penny of tax inreases that more than a tiny handful of republicans say they will vote yes on? If there answer is: there are none, then it's pretty clear who hasn't compromized. The rest of it is all political theatre, lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Neither. Both of them were pandering to their respective masses. Once Obama said that a default would prevent the government from having money to send out SS checks, I lost 100% of my respect for him. Sad. I actually thought at one point (long ago) that the man was really for doing what is best for the American people.

Edit: Boehner's speech was essentially "don't blame ME. Blame HIM!!!!!" Honestly Mr. Boehner, I blame ALL of you.

 

[mchammer187]

Neither. Both of them were pandering to their respective masses. Once Obama said that a default would prevent the government from having money to send out SS checks, I lost 100% of my respect for him. Sad. I actually thought at one point (long ago) that the man was really for doing what is best for the American people.

He never said that he said

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011/07/obama-speech-transcript-7-25-11/

If that happens, and we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills – bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans’ benefits, and the government contracts we’ve signed with thousands of businesses.

emphasis on ALL

I noticed that right when he said that that he was going to get attacked for that.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

He never said that he said



emphasis on ALL

And what do you think the point of including social security and vets benefits in that mix was for? Who do you think are some of the most politically active folks in America? That's right, senior citizens and vets. You are a fool if you honestly believe that the president can say "would not have enough money to pay" and "social security" in the same sentence and not cause a furor amongst most retired folks in this country

C'mon, don't put your head in the sand. The political machine was slathered all over Obama's speech and Boehner's speech in layers so thick it was impossible to ignore. If it were butter half the U.S. population would have died from heart attacks while watching that garbage (and for the record, my opinion is that BOTH speeches were garbage).

 

[Infohawk]

Obama.

I didn't like Boner trying to hide that he was a Republican and trying to make it seem like it was the House vs. President when it's the House Republicans vs the world. I didn't like Obama acting like rich and corporations didn't already contribute a lot. Close loopholes? Sure. But don't act like they're not paying anything right now.

 

[mchammer187]

And what do you think the point of including social security and vets benefits in that mix was for? Who do you think are some of the most politically active folks in America? That's right, senior citizens and vets. You are a fool if you honestly believe that the president can say "would not have enough money to pay" and "social security" in the same sentence and not cause a furor amongst most retired folks in this country

C'mon, don't put your head in the sand. The political machine was slathered all over Obama's speech and Boehner's speech in layers so thick it was impossible to ignore. If it were butter half the U.S. population would have died from heart attacks while watching that garbage (and for the record, my opinion is that BOTH speeches were garbage).

All I'm saying is he did choose his words carefully. Honestly no one can even say what is going to happen if we default and of course his words are politically motivated and what he actually said and we would not be able to pay SS are two very different things. Of course I am sure that was done on purpose but anyone who is following all of this rhetoric though should easily see through all of it though.

 

[sportage]

Boehner is going to forever collect a nice huge government check long after he is out of office. Also they will continue his government healthcare benefits.
Funny... we hear nothing about THAT, or about cutting THAT, or about limiting THAT.
Boehner has it made in the shade, long after you and me have wilted unprotected in the sun.
Lets address the life benefits of these career politicians. Just like the union perks, government perks for office holders should be (as they say) on the table facing cuts.
But guess what... Don't hold your breath.
You will NEVER hear Boehner complain about his own government lifetime perks.
Isn't that interesting how this all works?

 

[kage69]

I'd believe Casey Anthony before I would believe Boehner.

Can't really be put any better than that.


The ego and blatant dishonesty of GOP leaders is nothing short of breath taking. Whatever sympathy I had for the Republican side over the last year or so has evaporated thanks to the antics of the arsehole trifecta; Cantor, McConnell and John of Orange.

 

[bpatters69]

They both gave their speeches. Who do you agree with?

Boehner - I want to see meaningful spending cuts that are agreed to by both parties and then we raise the debt limit for one final time. Next time around, there will be no more debt increases. This gurantees that the idiots in DC not only balance the budget but lower spending so they do not need to raise the debt limit.

 

[Rebel44]

.... Next time around, there will be no more debt increases. This gurantees that the idiots in DC not only balance the budget but lower spending so they do not need to raise the debt limit.

hahahahahahaha

That is VERY naive.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I have reported all the communist socialist devil worshiping scum who have selected Obama; a private security company, that has no jurisdiction, will be kicking down your door and firing 45 to 50 full clip rounds into you.

How DARE you side with Obama?!?!shift+1!!!!!

 

[PingSpike]

It doesn't matter. What needs to happen won't. We're so deep in the hole that it would take a heroic combined effort to climb out...so we'll just dig deeper instead, just like we always have.

 

[sm625]

Neither are for any actual cuts. Both of them will just try to squeak by so the fed can continue monetizing the debt, and the american idol audiences can pay 20% more each year for food/gas/health care, and the banksters can get more and more % of the wealth. The political discourse in this country is childish and disgusting. The federal government needs to be cut in half for starters, with an ultimate goal of 10% of its current size.

A real budget solution: Cut all higher education support. Cut all housing support. Close 5 overseas bases each year. Build 20 liquid fluoride thorium reactors. Cap all bank and credit card interest rates at 10% above CPI.

Absolutely none of that crap will happen because people in this country dont know what any of that crap even means. There is no solution that will come from this generation of morons. War is inevitable, and I can only hope it cleans out as many of these dumbed down pathetic morons as possible. They have no dignity, no self respect.

In the 1930s, the German people were so angry, and I understand that anger, that boiling rage. Because people are so unbelievably stupid now, it boggles the mind. They simply cannot be helped. And they wont be. They will march right into the gas chambers while staring into their stupid ipods and iphones laughing and giggling the whole time.

 

[Thump553]

Boehner's plan is a crass political ploy to keep the debt ceiling as a continuing crisis through next years elections. I wish instead they would focus on the jobs, jobs, jobs platform they ran on-and have done less than nothing so far (less than nothing because they have successfully filibustered every Dem or bipartisan effort to boost jobs).

I'm disgusted with them, and just as disgusted with those that applaud girdlock-as if a dysfunctional government is a good thing to have.

 

[Jaskalas]

Last night I saw the writing on the wall that Obama wants to blame next year's economy in the Republicans for their current actions. Boehner needs to pass something for the President to veto to firmly give him the ball. Cause if this is going to be a double dip, you certainly don't want to be holding it.

Extend the debt ceiling to cover this year... maybe next year until just after the elections and a new Congress / President. Wrangle as much out of that as you can, and move on to fight another day.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

i couldnt care less whether they raise the debt limit or not but im glad to see the results of this poll. the position of the republicans in this situation is irrational. republicans pretend that they are the party of smaller government but every republican president in my lifetime spent as much or worse than the democratic ones. they just spend on different things (wars/foreign aid vs social programs/gov. worker salaries). if the republicans want to reduce spending why dont they start when one of their guys is in office

 

[xj0hnx]

Obama is going to forever collect a nice huge government check long after he is out of office. Also they will continue his government healthcare benefits.
Funny... we hear nothing about THAT, or about cutting THAT, or about limiting THAT.
Obama has it made in the shade, long after you and me have wilted unprotected in the sun.
Lets address the life benefits of these career politicians. Just like the union perks, government perks for office holders should be (as they say) on the table facing cuts.
But guess what... Don't hold your breath.
You will NEVER hear Obama complain about his own government lifetime perks.
Isn't that interesting how this all works?

FTFY hack.

 

[xj0hnx]

Neither are for any actual cuts. Both of them will just try to squeak by so the fed can continue monetizing the debt, and the american idol audiences can pay 20% more each year for food/gas/health care, and the banksters can get more and more % of the wealth. The political discourse in this country is childish and disgusting. The federal government needs to be cut in half for starters, with an ultimate goal of 10% of its current size.

:thumbsup:

 

[Blackjack200]

FTFY hack.

Actually Obama said in his speech that his own taxes should be raised. But please, don't let facts get in the way of your demagoguery.

 

[cganesh75]

Neither are for any actual cuts. Both of them will just try to squeak by so the fed can continue monetizing the debt, and the american idol audiences can pay 20% more each year for food/gas/health care, and the banksters can get more and more % of the wealth. The political discourse in this country is childish and disgusting. The federal government needs to be cut in half for starters, with an ultimate goal of 10% of its current size.

thats because none of them actually interested in fixing the problem. they just want to get reelected or blame the other side and get into the office.