Obama AG now spying on the media

[Angry Irishman]

Never mind....😛

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Don't you think that the Attorney General should be required to get a warrant signed by a judge and have probable cause before tapping phones? Do you think that it shouldn't be a requirement in any national security case? Did you, and do you now fully support the Patriot Act? Do you think that the media should not only be protected by the 4th Amendment search and seizures, but also be protected by the 1st Amendment freedom of the press?

or is it that your guy Obama and his administration has seriously fucked up once again and you went into the standard Democrat defend Obama mode?

No phones were tapped. As for seizing phone records, Patriot Act not needed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

 

[boomerang]

When you put a politician from Chicago in the highest office in the land it's unreasonable to expect him to divorce himself from the system that put him there. It was all pretty glorious for his ardent supporters until he stepped on his dick one too many times. Now, the man that subscribed to the theory that you overload the system to the point where it must collapse so you can start anew has found that his system is being overloaded. Well, what goes around comes around.

His ground level supporters are still rallying around him. Trying to insulate him. Making excuses for him. That's fine. It really makes no difference where the buck stops. He's in his last term. It doesn't matter who ultimately takes the fall for him. Neuter the machine that surrounds him and you neuter the man. His own tactics are being used against him and it's a wonderful thing to behold.

He's got a three pronged attack against him right now. Three people are going to have to fall on the sword for him. Naturally, the desire is to have those people at as low a level as is possible. Too late for Behngazi, that's going to be high ranking. The IRS thing they've contained so far but it's early on. What's going against him on that one is that the outrage is coming from both sides of the aisle and the press is onboard too. The press being onboard is pretty damned amazing. Lastly, he's been spying on the press. The final straw? Without a press to conveniently ignore that which he does that they hold so dear in their progressive hearts, without a press in his back pocket, his Chicago style system of government cannot hold up under its own weight. He's pissed them off.

Damage control in full force on three fronts. A lot of balls in the air. There may be more coming. Our system of government may have become corrupt and perverse since its inception but on some level it still functions. It's pulling the curtain around the great and powerful OZ.

 

[jackschmittusa]

monovillage

Are you making up phone tapping accusations? I can't say they didn't anymore than I can say that they sent their requests on blue paper but you have shown nothing yet to backup your sensationalism.

You need to settle down a little as your "attack Obama mode" always seems to carry you far afield. Have you ever considered a discussion involving only the facts in evidence?

 

[ivwshane]

monovillage

Are you making up phone tapping accusations? I can't say they didn't anymore than I can say that they sent their requests on blue paper but you have shown nothing yet to backup your sensationalism.

You need to settle down a little as your "attack Obama mode" always seems to carry you far afield. Have you ever considered a discussion involving only the facts in evidence?

Oh oh...someone used the "F" word!

 

[cliftonite]

So last year everyone on the right was outraged that Obama was not investigating the Stuxnet leaks:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/01...ama-administration-trend-of-classified-leaks/
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/156501
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/11/obama-and-intel-leaks-investigation-this-smells-like-fix/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-obama-administration-willfully-leaked-e/


Now that there is an investigation into who leaked classified intel the right is outraged at the investigation?

 

[jackschmittusa]

boomerang

Of the 3 things you mention, only 1 has any element of intentional wrongdoing, the IRS incident. The President is forbidden by law from directing the IRS in such matters. There is not even a hint that he has.

The other 2 things involve national security which you seem to care nothing about. You never seem to have any idea how to preserve it through alternate means or methods. You never assign it any value what-so-ever. You intentionally discard or dismiss any discussion of it because you cannot fit any part of it into the picture you want to display. That makes it hard to believe that you have the best interests of the country at heart, just a personal vendetta.

 

[Genx87]

This thread is deliciously ironic. Libs defending the presidents attorney general spying on the media. An action that under Bush would have them calling for impeachment.

Reminds me of this gem

 

[waggy]

This thread is deliciously ironic. Libs defending the presidents attorney general spying on the media. An action that under Bush would have them calling for impeachment.

Reminds me of this gem

/this

they don't care. they wan't teh dems to win no matter how bad it hurts the country.

you are right if the bush was in office and this story broke oh all hell would be raised. it would be amajor story on EVERY news station. not to mention dems calling for bush ot be held accountable for this.

now?

nothing. in fact if you complain you get called a hack.

it fucking disgust me.

 

[boomerang]

boomerang

Of the 3 things you mention, only 1 has any element of intentional wrongdoing, the IRS incident. The President is forbidden by law from directing the IRS in such matters. There is not even a hint that he has.

The other 2 things involve national security which you seem to care nothing about. You never seem to have any idea how to preserve it through alternate means or methods. You never assign it any value what-so-ever. You intentionally discard or dismiss any discussion of it because you cannot fit any part of it into the picture you want to display. That makes it hard to believe that you have the best interests of the country at heart, just a personal vendetta.

I've found it very interesting through the years watching left leaners giving those that they politically agree with a pass for their trespasses. Waiting for the "facts" to come in before making a decision. In the world of the leftie, there would be no investigations, no enquiries because people make mistakes and everyone should get a pass because people should be judged on their intentions, not the results of their actions. Even violent offenders given enough time are usually deserving of a break because the left sees the weakness in them not as something to be dealt with as a deterrent but as something they too may one day have to face and they would like to be forgiven.

I have the best interests of the country at heart. Obama is not working in those best interests. I know this because I know his background and most importantly, I choose not to ignore it. I do not give him a pass. I am not surprised that you find that to be a personal vendetta. I have nothing for you in that regard. That's a personal issue you will have to come to terms with on your own - or not. It's of no consequence to me.

I am still allowed to state my opinion. In doing so, I hope that my grandchildren's grandchildren will also be able to do so. When you have people in power that condemn others to death for political gain. When you have people in power that target groups specifically for their political beliefs, when you spy on the media in order to gain political advantage, I know what I'm seeing. It's a shift in the direction our nation is heading that will come to no good and history has shown us this.

You see a man just doing the best that he can. You give him a pass.

I am out of time this morning and must now go practice the ways of capitalism. No time for even a spell check.

 

[bshole]

By far, the best post (and most relevant) on this thread:

Any way you slice it, this looks really bad for Obama.

This sounds very Ashcroftian, and pretty much anyone will admit that there was very little to come out of Ashcroft's office that wasn't dangling form the strings of Cheney, Rove and Bush.

Say what you will, but these type of orders, as far as I know, can not come without the president's approval.

If he truly has nothing to do with it--if this is an overstepping of his orders--then he can't merely deflect. He needs to outright punish some people.

Could not agree more. If Obama orchestrated this, it may rise to the level of a crime. I cannot imagine this being legal (and if it is, it should not be).

 

[cliftonite]

/this

they don't care. they wan't teh dems to win no matter how bad it hurts the country.

you are right if the bush was in office and this story broke oh all hell would be raised. it would be amajor story on EVERY news station. not to mention dems calling for bush ot be held accountable for this.

now?

nothing. in fact if you complain you get called a hack.

it fucking disgust me.

The news is on every news station. Saw it on CNBC and CNN this morning. Were you around here during Bush era where dems were called the hacks around here?

 

[waggy]

By far, the best post (and most relevant) on this thread:




Could not agree more. If Obama orchestrated this, it may rise to the level of a crime. I cannot imagine this being legal (and if it is, it should not be).

i agree with most of it. but i was reading a article that said that recent acts (patriot and one other sorry but ic an't remember the name) made stuff like this legal.

NOBODY is going to get arrested or such over this. no laws were broke.

Even if it goes back to Obama (not going to happen. someone will take blame well before that). what was done was legal.

ain't that the shit eh?

 

[waggy]

The news is on every news station. Saw it on CNBC and CNN this morning. Were you around here during Bush era where dems were called the hacks around here?

don't watch CNBC and didn't see anything as of yet on cnn.

oh yeah some were called hacks and rightfully so. just as some against obama should be called hacks.

When bush was in office a thread like this, the IRS, banzhagi would have thousands of post. now? maybe a few hundred and most saying it's nothing.

it points to how far to many only car about the letter behind the guys name and not the nation.

 

[cliftonite]

don't watch CNBC and didn't see anything as of yet on cnn.

oh yeah some were called hacks and rightfully so. just as some against obama should be called hacks.

When bush was in office a thread like this, the IRS, banzhagi would have thousands of post. now? maybe a few hundred and most saying it's nothing.

it points to how far to many only car about the letter behind the guys name and not the nation.

And in those threads the VERY people who criticize Obama were defending Bush. And the anti Obama equal the Bush hate.

 

[waggy]

And in those threads the VERY people who criticize Obama were defending Bush. And the anti Obama equal the Bush hate.

as i said they care about what letter is behind a persons name.


but i will say the anti-obama hate does not even come close to the bush hate on P&N. hell not even close!

 

[Bowfinger]

By far, the best post (and most relevant) on this thread:

Could not agree more. If Obama orchestrated this, it may rise to the level of a crime. I cannot imagine this being legal (and if it is, it should not be).

Surprisingly enough, I suspect it is. To be clear, based on what we've been told so far, I think this is reprehensible behavior by the Obama administration. With the caveat that it's early and we don't have much real information, it sounds abusive and highly unethical. I doubt it was illegal, however. The legal standard for pen register data (phone numbers called) is far, far lower than for actually recording conversations. Based on what I've read, at least, there are no allegations of recording calls.

 

[cliftonite]

as i said they care about what letter is behind a persons name.


but i will say the anti-obama hate does not even come close to the bush hate on P&N. hell not even close!

You are right the Obama hate is much worse.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I thought you righties were so concerned about security leaks? Do you not want them to investigate these leaks or is this another case of "Obama did it so now we must be outraged".

It's hard following you guys.

I thought you lefties were outraged at the thought of the Bush admin doing things like this. So now that it's your team it's ok?

Works both ways, idiot.

And for the record, I wasn't at all happy with the Patriot act or the warrantless wiretap prospect under Bush. So what's your excuse, libertoll?

 

[waggy]

You are right the Obama hate is much worse.

ok so you are either a hack or forgot how it was when bush was in office.


there is no comparison. the hate for bush on P&N far far outweighed what is going on for Obama. though its not really a surprise that is just how the forum leans.

And for the record, I wasn't at all happy with the Patriot act or the warrantless wiretap prospect under Bush. So what's your excuse, libertoll?

ugh the patriot act..i hate that fucking thing.

I think the patriot act was one thing nearly EVERYONE on P&N was against. sure there were a few idiots that again just cared that bush passed it. but i would say like 97% were against it

 

[cliftonite]

ok so you are either a hack or forgot how it was when bush was in office.


there is no comparison. the hate for bush on P&N far far outweighed what is going on for Obama. though its not really a surprise that is just how the forum leans.



ugh the patriot act..i hate that fucking thing.

I think the patriot act was one thing nearly EVERYONE on P&N was against. sure there were a few idiots that again just cared that bush passed it. but i would say like 97% were against it

Do you see some of the hate for Obama? It is on a deeply personal level. Look at some of the crap Spidey posts. The hate for Bush was always IMPEACH IMPEACH never called a Nigerian muslim, etc

 

[Matt1970]

Matt1970

"Government trampling legal procedure and the Constitution"

Unless you can cite the relevant legal and Constitutional violations, your accusations are bullshit.

Requesting phone records to track security leaks has a long precedent accepted by both sides without significant issue.

If you have identified a defect or shortcoming in the legal framework, great! Define it, explain the defect or shortcoming, propose corrections, and discuss it.

You're right, what was I thinking. The govenrment always follows procedure and the constitution.

 

[FerrelGeek]

LOL any rational discussion derailed because of hate for the president.

You can go back to fellating your Obama doll now. Provide some rational discussion. The AG has to sign off on stuff like this. Either he's gone totally rogue or one of his senior underlings did. Either way, heads need to roll over this. The only thing saving Obama is that most of the media has been fairly easy on him. If they feel outraged over this and turn on him, he's toast.

 

[waggy]

Though i suspect something like this is another nail in Holders coffin. there is going to reach a point where obama is going to have to ask for his resignation.

 

[FerrelGeek]

WAH WAh wah... Oh that silly Obama fella.
Just for this he has to clean his plate, and that includes eating all his brussels sprouts.

Oh, by the way, hows that thing going with holding GW and Cheney accountable for sending 4000+ American troops to their death? hmmmmmm?

Nice try with your Obama thing, however once again... No Sale.

Translation, it's ok when your side does it.