I don't see how anyone could try to spin this with a straight face. The only thing left to discuss is whether Obama is an idiot or a liar. Did he actually think he could deliver on his promises without increasing middle class taxes? If so, he's an idiot. OR, was he just saying what he knew he needed to say in order to get elected? If so, he's a liar.
Personally, I think he's a liar. No change, more of the same. If this doesn't sober up his groupies, nothing will.
He was very clear about what he intended to do if one looked beyond the empty campaign rhetoric. There are countless examples of him approving of redistribution of wealth, single-payer government health care, etc. People just covered their eyes, plugged their ears and said LALALA! as loud as possible to drown out the truth.
He is a liar because he campaigned on one set of promises and is doing the exact opposite after he got elected. The irony is that he is actually doing what he really wanted to do all along, but the liar part is that he had no intention of doing what he campaigned on.
StageLeft
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This is a semi-frequent occurrence here. Somebody makes a thread like this and I think "Ok this time, people HAVE to be honest and admit that Obama isn't being forthright." and yet each time they come up with some new argument that surprises me and somehow satisfies their standards of honesty.
You can't be serious...
Yes, you are wrong. Watch the videos. Read the quotes. You are as wrong as they come.
Specop 007
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Figures. I keep working and the Man keeps taking more so the fucking deadbeats and dregs of society can continue to sit around on their asses doing nothing.
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
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hahaha, I can't imagine that you are able to say this with a straight face. Oh god this made me literally laugh out loud, nice job. You're just trolling here, you've got to be. Not that I think you're above this mind you, both parties really are the same when it comes down to it. People just use the labels "democrats" and "republicans" so that it's easier to divide the country into 2 teams for calling names. That's all this really is.
And just so I'm contributing:
It is all progressing just as we planned... (I think this was dr evil?)
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
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His position went from "no new taxes on the middle class" to now being "we won't rule out tax increases on the middle class." In other words, he lied. Will he raise them? If he didn't think he was going to have to raise them, why would he suddenly change his position?
Obama promised no new taxes. I think he should stick with that even if it destroys the country. Somebody asked Mulla Nasrudin who old he was and he said 40. Somebody else piped in that 40 is what he said last year. I always stand by what I say, said the Mulla.
Obama should do the same. Let folks rot without jogs, let the country go down the tubes. No additional taxes, please.
Obama should do the same. Let folks rot without jogs, let the country go down the tubes. No additional taxes, please.
exar333
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No kidding. Let's start by getting rid of unemployment benefits and see how quickly those without work will be begging for a job. Maybe we won't need illegal immigrants if a portion of our populace is enticed to actually do something for $$$ rather than just sit around and collect the checks.
Since parsing words seems to be your cup of tea, I'll play along. Part of your problem is that you're arguing a straw man. No one said he *IS* raising taxes, but that his implications that a middle class tax increase is likely - or just possible - is damning enough. Of course, we all know that no politician is going to break the seal on that kind of talk unless they actually intend to go through with it, but I won't argue that point as fact until it actually happens. But informally speaking, anyone who's thinking for themselves knows that a tax increase is extremely likely at this point. Obama wouldn't endure the negative press otherwise.
FACT: Obama promised no new taxes on the middle class.
FACT: Obama is bracing the middle class for new taxes
Show me some evidence that you're thinking objectively - or just thinking period - and I'll continue this debate with you. But if you're going to keep your head buried in the sand, I see no point.
A technicality right now. Whether it is a direct income tax hike or a regressive tax like cap and trade. It is coming.
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
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So why did his firm "no new taxes on the middle class" promise now need to change to "uh, we might have to raise taxes on the middle class"? Fine, let's not call it lying yet, but at a minimum, he is certainly flip-flopping, vascillating, and waffling.
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