Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

[halik]

More conservatard stupidity...

..If you have a bandaid you can show up at the ER and have us perform $10K of work on you and walk out like nothing ever happened. "I'm young and healthy, how dare you tell me I should PAY for my services. Fuck you, insurance is for suckers."

..people who have "health insurance" that doesn't even cover scripts much less a hospital visit should be able to continue to abuse the ER as their primary care physician and when something bad DOES finally happen to them they piss and moan about how shitty their coverage is/was.

And just to paraphrase the rest of you inanities...

"Fuck all of you that have real jobs that offer real health care benefits, even if mine DOES I am NOT going to take the pesky little health care deduction because I am young and healthy and I am not paying for anyone's pap smears. I should be able to continue to support my family of 5 with "Band Aid Insurance". I am a fucktard and my ilk all does this so this is the norm. We take what we want and pay for what we feel like."

Buy some real insurance and stop you pussy dripping.

WAT?

Even catastrophic plans have a reasonable max out of pocket expense, so if you show up mangled and need $100K worth of work the max I owe is like $3500. Even then, I've yet to see a plane that enforces coinsurance on accidental injury treatment. (ie for accidents you're only liable for the deductible, not deductible + coinsurance)

I have no medical prescription needs, why do I need to pay for prescription meds? If I do end up needing prescriptions, is CSV gonna give them to me w/o paying because of my "bandaid" insurance?

Your arguments have very little merit. For whatever reason you seem to conflate the concept of individual mandate with the topic on hand - ie forcing people off their existing insurance plans.

 

[umbrella39]

I reference the ER mostly because that is where I predominantly work... but what I say is true for the entire hospital/s. People should be forced off their current "plan" if it is woefully inept. That's the idea FGS. Please show if you know of any policy that has been cancelled that meets the basic requirements that the vast majority of us full time employed folks pay into that our employers provide. I would like to see what all the fuss is about and why folks are kicking and screaming that their woefully inept policies are being cancelled and they are being forced into buying a real product that provides full coverage at a competitive rate. What you would THINK these people have been hoping and clamoring for years to have. PLPD for the body is a bad idea but I am all for letting people make that decision if we can decide not to treat them unless they have proof of funds. That has no chance of ever happening so those who rely on us know they can continue to screw us. I will never understand the mindset of folks who willingly choose to buy the most basic level of catastrophic coverage because they want to a la carte their coverage which as you should well know isn't going to cover all of your bill in addition to the $3500 you'd be out for sure. I guess that stems for having a family in my early 20's, the thought of rolling the dice never seemed a logical or responsible solution. Don't need meds now, guess what neither did I until I was 37 but then they came and even the most basic cholesterol or BP meds for exp. cost good $$$ these days Sure CVS will give them to you if you have the $$$, wow imagine that, them demanding you can actually PAY for the service they provide you. Fancy that! It has more than paid for itself in that regard over the years. . The policies you mention that are being cancelled are not going to cover the $35000 1 day hospital stay in my own hospital like I just had to have an elective surgery. It wasn't what any insurance company would deem an emergency but was necessary for me to continue working and providing for my family. The problem is at some point YOU WILL NEED US and for more than you insurance covers. What then? This is the problem that no one on the other side of the coin wants to address. It's that people know they can buy PLPD but when push comes to show get full coverage for free if they want as these policies don't come close to covering all the possible things that could go wrong with you or one of your loved ones if you aren't single.

 

[trenchfoot]

I reference the ER mostly because that is where I predominantly work... but what I say is true for the entire hospital/s. People should be forced off their current "plan" if it is woefully inept. That's the idea FGS. Please show if you know of any policy that has been cancelled that meets the basic requirements that the vast majority of us full time employed folks pay into that our employers provide. I would like to see what all the fuss is about and why folks are kicking and screaming that their woefully inept policies are being cancelled and they are being forced into buying a real product that provides full coverage at a competitive rate. What you would THINK these people have been hoping and clamoring for years to have. PLPD for the body is a bad idea but I am all for letting people make that decision if we can decide not to treat them unless they have proof of funds. That has no chance of ever happening so those who rely on us know they can continue to screw us. I will never understand the mindset of folks who willingly choose to buy the most basic level of catastrophic coverage because they want to a la carte their coverage which as you should well know isn't going to cover all of your bill in addition to the $3500 you'd be out for sure. I guess that stems for having a family in my early 20's, the thought of rolling the dice never seemed a logical or responsible solution. Don't need meds now, guess what neither did I until I was 37 but then they came and even the most basic cholesterol or BP meds for exp. cost good $$$ these days Sure CVS will give them to you if you have the $$$, wow imagine that, them demanding you can actually PAY for the service they provide you. Fancy that! It has more than paid for itself in that regard over the years. . The policies you mention that are being cancelled are not going to cover the $35000 1 day hospital stay in my own hospital like I just had to have an elective surgery. It wasn't what any insurance company would deem an emergency but was necessary for me to continue working and providing for my family. The problem is at some point YOU WILL NEED US and for more than you insurance covers. What then? This is the problem that no one on the other side of the coin wants to address. It's that people know they can buy PLPD but when push comes to show get full coverage for free if they want as these policies don't come close to covering all the possible things that could go wrong with you or one of your loved ones if you aren't single.

Thanks for providing me the opportunity to read about your views from inside the health care system. Especially so from a specific part of the health care system that is one the most abused and costly. :thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

I reference the ER mostly because that is where I predominantly work... but what I say is true for the entire hospital/s. People should be forced off their current "plan" if it is woefully inept. That's the idea FGS. Please show if you know of any policy that has been cancelled that meets the basic requirements that the vast majority of us full time employed folks pay into that our employers provide.
-snip-

I can't show you that. I don't have any details of other people's plans.

However, you easily find the 10 essential benefits required under Obamacare. It seems without each and every one of those covered a policy won't qualify. Now if you look through that list, and the sub-requirements under each of the 10, and think all of those are necessary for a decent policy you and I will have to disagree.

My wife and I are in our mid-50's I don't want to pay for maternity care insurance, nor pediatric care, nor drug addiction counseling etc. IMO, there is a long list of superfluous crap required. If I was a 20-something yrs old unmarried person I wouldn't want to pay for a lot of that stuff either. It's simply unnecessary.

Fern

 

[sportage]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

People can use state sites and the 1-800 numbers to sign up bypassing the ACA site.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.
Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest. The peoples simple desire for healthcare.

I remember a time when a saboteur was hanged by the neck as traitor.
Who needs Al Qaeda when we have stubborn republican governors to terrorizes our citizens?

 

[Matt1970]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

People can use state sites and the 1-800 numbers to sign up bypassing the ACA site.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.
Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest. The peoples simple desire for healthcare.

I remember a time when a saboteur was hanged by the neck as traitor.
Who needs Al Qaeda when we have stubborn republican governors to terrorizes our citizens?

Bullshit you hack. Obama tried to cover his ass. Did the republican governors tell Americans that if they liked their insurance they could keep it only to years later have to amend that to mean "Your insurance is crap and I have a better way whether you like it or not"? Ya hack boy, they are the one terrorizing our citizens. Did you really just mention "The peoples simple desire" because if you manage to pull your head out of your ass "The peoples simple desire" was to, wait for it, NOT have ACA.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

People can use state sites and the 1-800 numbers to sign up bypassing the ACA site.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.
Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest. The peoples simple desire for healthcare.

I remember a time when a saboteur was hanged by the neck as traitor.
Who needs Al Qaeda when we have stubborn republican governors to terrorizes our citizens?

I'm sure you'd like to eliminate people who don't believe as you that's not going to happen at least not yet. I'm curious if Obama explained his lie about keeping your doctor.

 

[Matt1970]

I'm sure you'd like to eliminate people who don't believe as you that's not going to happen at least not yet. I'm curious if Obama explained his lie about keeping your doctor.

He will probably come up with some explanation why your current doctor is shit just he did for people's current insurance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He will probably come up with some explanation why your current doctor is shit just he did for people's current insurance.

There's no doubt on this one. The choices are that he led lied or was ignorant and foolish. Will they aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Matt1970]

There's no doubt on this one. The choices are that he led lied or was ignorant and foolish. Will they aren't mutually exclusive.

I think he has used up all his ignorant cards.

 

[shady28]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

Do us all a favor and go to this link, and watch it, and listen to what the man said.

This is how Obama got re-elected.

Lies. Deception. Deliberate manipulation. Total lack of responsibility.

Is this what you advocate? Is this what you stand for?

Is this what Liberals stand for? Is this what the Democratic Party stands for?

Please, just watch it, all of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

 

[HTFOff]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

People can use state sites and the 1-800 numbers to sign up bypassing the ACA site.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.
Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest. The peoples simple desire for healthcare.

I remember a time when a saboteur was hanged by the neck as traitor.
Who needs Al Qaeda when we have stubborn republican governors to terrorizes our citizens?

Congratulations, you went full Akin.

Never go full Akin.

 

[Matt1970]

Do us all a favor and go to this link, and watch it, and listen to what the man said.

This is how Obama got re-elected.

Lies. Deception. Deliberate manipulation. Total lack of responsibility.

Is this what you advocate? Is this what you stand for?

Is this what Liberals stand for? Is this what the Democratic Party stands for?

Please, just watch it, all of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

We will keep this promise to the American people, if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan, PERIOD

Do you fucking nit-wits not know what PERIOD means? That doesn't mean that if the government doesn't like your healthcare plan, you won't be able to keep it. That doesn't mean that if the government doesn't think it offers coverage it should, you won't be able to keep it. When he he say PERIOD, that statement stands on it's own, with no exceptions. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan, PERIOD. He fucking lied, he fucking lied his ass off. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks is better for you, that man got infront of everyone and lied. PERIOD

 

[Paul98]

weren't the insurance companies supposed to be able to still offer their old policies for a certain period? Edit: at least if you had the plan before a certain point.

 

[ivwshane]

weren't the insurance companies supposed to be able to still offer their old policies for a certain period? Edit: at least if you had the plan before a certain point.

Yes, the law states that a consumer may keep their plan so long as it was purchased before the ACA was passed. Insurance companies were allowed to keep people on those plans so long as no changes were made, ie raising premiums.

Of course anyone that is even remotely familiar with how insurance companies operate will realize that insurance companies change their plans frequently. Guess what happens when they do that? Your plan is no longer grandfathered and you must choose a new compliant plan.


You want to know what's messed up? Because people are uneducated about the ACA, the insurance companies send cancellation notices and tell their customers that their new plan will be xx more. What they don't tell them (and that's part of business) is thr they can go on to the exchange and probably get a cheaper plan.

Of course you don't hear about that because most reporters suck at doing their job and actually doing research.

That's not to say every cancellation will result in cheaper plans if you go to the exchange, it just means that not all cancellations equals a higher cost plan.

 

[theeedude]

I am guessing he did know that insurance would change for some in the individual insurance market. It's been changing for years before Obamacare. Cancellations are nothing new, they have been going on for years and years, so Obama should not have promised to guarantee something that wasn't under his control. It's a few million people, but in a 300 million country, it's a not a big percentage, so he was 95% right, which is not bad for a politician. That said, he should have added some fine print to that promise.

 

[nextJin]

He apparently doesn't know a goddamn thing, every week he finds out something new on the news.

 

[dali71]

Thank you mr president.
Obama went on TV tonight and said exactly what I have been trying to say over and over. That any current healthcare company that drops people because of that companies non interest with simple compliance and non interest in playing fair with customers, those providers are selling crap policies. Shit policies. Junk.

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

People can use state sites and the 1-800 numbers to sign up bypassing the ACA site.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.
Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest. The peoples simple desire for healthcare.

I remember a time when a saboteur was hanged by the neck as traitor.
Who needs Al Qaeda when we have stubborn republican governors to terrorizes our citizens?

Keep on licking Obama's ass, you worthless piece of shit. 😡

 

[sportage]

I love this media blitz and how they twist the truths.
But beyond that, I love how the average Joe's and jane's of America are allowing themselves to be lectured by a set of right wing congress persons, talk radio right wing hacks, right wing tv blowhards, all of whom never mention to you that THEY already have pretty damn great healthcare for themselves and for their families.

Everyone of those republican congress chumps bashing ACA and attempts to give you healthcare, starting with old Teddy Cruz, everyone of them have pretty damn good healthcare for themselves. And government paid healthcare in most cases.
The level of healthcare they enjoy makes Obamacare look like the game Operation.

Dick Cheney.... has had great medical insurance. Paid by you. It bought him a heart.
Several, as a matter of fact. Sadly however, still no brain.
But these bastards cry foul that you should dare seek healthcare for yourself.
Or that Obama dare try to allow Americans to have real healthcare with real protections.
Not shit policies but real protected healthcare.
NO, they say. No way America Joe and Jane. None of that for you.
You, America, have the ER, and bankruptcy, and cancelation, and death, say the bastards.

So here we have entire segments of the uninsured, and under insured, buying in to this notion that what is good enough for the bastards isn't good enough for you.
You being Mr average Joe.

I'm against legalizing pot. Obviously the population that sucks up to these republican bastards are already delusional enough.

Next time one single republican comes on tv or radio to tell you how it is that you are unworthy of healthcare, and I mean real healthcare with ACA regulations and protections, next time they show their face just ask yourself, " gee. I wonder if that bastard enjoys the healthcare they have."
Or better yet. Ask them to answer that question.

Sarah Palin writes books. She can afford pretty damn good healthcare.
Michele Bachmann is a government benefits whore. She enjoys her damn good government healthcare.
Dick Cheney has pretty damn great healthcare, government paid, for the remainder of his life. And at zero premiums to boot....

And you???

 

[WhipperSnapper]

What the president needs to start communicating is that in states like Iowa and California and many other states where governors are co operating with ACA, in every one of those states ACA is working. Working very well even despite the ACA website issues.

In states where governors are refusing to go along with ACA reform , refusing to allow their citizens to,take part in healthcare, as with Texas, in those states ACA has problems.

Everyone one of those states have the highest uninsured in the nation.
And republican governors wish to keep it that way.

Once again, republican governors sabotaging their own people and thumbing their nose at the peoples best interest.

Are you suggesting that Republican governors in those states may not have their citizens' best interests in mind? Is it possible that these wise Republican governors might be hurting citizens in their states?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Is this what Liberals stand for? Is this what the Democratic Party stands for?

I suspect that the Liberals and Democrats quietly support having socialized medicine and single player.

The irony of "Obamacare" is that it is actually an offshoot of "Republicare"--that is to say--it is a Republican plan. The Republicans have actually won in those regards. The insurance companies and their wealthy executives will stay in business along with for-profit hospitals and their wealthy execs and we'll still spend over 17% of our GDP on health care.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I love this media blitz and how they twist the truths.
But beyond that, I love how the average Joe's and jane's of America are allowing themselves to be lectured by a set of right wing congress persons, talk radio right wing hacks, right wing tv blowhards, all of whom never mention to you that THEY already have pretty damn great healthcare for themselves and for their families.

Everyone of those republican congress chumps bashing ACA and attempts to give you healthcare, starting with old Teddy Cruz, everyone of them have pretty damn good healthcare for themselves. And government paid healthcare in most cases.
The level of healthcare they enjoy makes Obamacare look like the game Operation.

Dick Cheney.... has had great medical insurance. Paid by you. It bought him a heart.
Several, as a matter of fact. Sadly however, still no brain.
But these bastards cry foul that you should dare seek healthcare for yourself.
Or that Obama dare try to allow Americans to have real healthcare with real protections.
Not shit policies but real protected healthcare.
NO, they say. No way America Joe and Jane. None of that for you.
You, America, have the ER, and bankruptcy, and cancelation, and death, say the bastards.

So here we have entire segments of the uninsured, and under insured, buying in to this notion that what is good enough for the bastards isn't good enough for you.
You being Mr average Joe.

I'm against legalizing pot. Obviously the population that sucks up to these republican bastards are already delusional enough.

Next time one single republican comes on tv or radio to tell you how it is that you are unworthy of healthcare, and I mean real healthcare with ACA regulations and protections, next time they show their face just ask yourself, " gee. I wonder if that bastard enjoys the healthcare they have."
Or better yet. Ask them to answer that question.

Sarah Palin writes books. She can afford pretty damn good healthcare.
Michele Bachmann is a government benefits whore. She enjoys her damn good government healthcare.
Dick Cheney has pretty damn great healthcare, government paid, for the remainder of his life. And at zero premiums to boot....

And you???

Let me tell you how great your leaders are. Yesterday I had to tell a shut in that she couldn't have her strips for her diabetes meter. She's half blind and can barely walk across the room because of it. They cost us over $150 and since they machine uses proprietary strips we're stuck with getting paid $25. So we suck it up but still can't get them to her because it's now a crime to do so.

These are the same people you and others want to take even more charge, those so inept that if not for the immunity of office would be sued for the harm they cause to people like her out of their hubris and ignorance. Where are your precious Democrats and demigod Obama? In your zeal to give more to your gods in DC you sacrifice people like her and you have the nerve to brag and boast and judge. You are her problem.

 

[Matt1970]

I love this media blitz and how they twist the truths.

It is becoming increasingly clear you wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you in the ass.

 

[Matt1970]

I am guessing he did know that insurance would change for some in the individual insurance market. It's been changing for years before Obamacare. Cancellations are nothing new, they have been going on for years and years, so Obama should not have promised to guarantee something that wasn't under his control. It's a few million people, but in a 300 million country, it's a not a big percentage, so he was 95% right, which is not bad for a politician. That said, he should have added some fine print to that promise.

Getting up and knowingly lie your ass off to 7 to 10 million is not bad for a politician?

 

[halik]

I love this media blitz and how they twist the truths.

...Something about Hannity and Fox news...

And you???

I would see my insurance go up 80% on $25K income after subsidies. End of the story.

No amount of "it's all Rush Limbaugh lies" spin will change the fact that even for someone on $25K income has to pay extra $1K a year for health insurance after Obamacare. There's no amount of damage control you can do while handing people bills with their premiums doubling. This isn't fucking politics, it's actual people and their end's meet.


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