Obama admin committed an act of war against Iran

[Ninjahedge]

Remember the protests in Iran not too long ago?

Obama and basically ALL of our politicians held their tongues on that. They knew that if we came out and said ANYTHING that both sides of that protest would have turned to us and said "STFU".

Iran was, is, and shall be a difficult situation to handle. No real overt action will be able to be done. The only thing we can do is keep tripping them up until their own people decide they do not want to follow the "unofficial" rule of the Ayatollah.

Sometimes you do not push the man down the hill to get them where you want them to go. Sometimes you just make sure there are plenty of things to trip on on the way down.

 

[blackangst1]

And the Philippians

What? I know you meant Philippines, but what?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, cyber attacks can be considered acts of war just like physical attacks. It is actually a significant grounds for concern since it gives Iran a basis for claiming the U.S. and Israel struck first. It's a shame the OP chose to launch this thread with such a turd of a troll, because it could be a quite interesting discussion.

if you have an interest perhaps we can discuss this in about 8 hours or so once I'm home. There some potential for this subject.

 

[bfdd]

I find it quite funny that the OP and his ilk really didn't have any problem with Bush & Iraq/Afghanistan but are now complaining about their ideological opposites doing what they themselves did.

I actually had no issue with Afghanistan and when Iraq was going on I didn't believe I had enough information to make a truly valued decision. In all honesty this has nothing to do with Obama being president, I don't care who it is. I don't like antagonizing a fight, I'm a "do unto others" person. So when I see the government, one I used to support, "doing unto others" I see it as an "ok" to do unto me. That is not something I support and I do not wish it done unto me, so I do not support it and this is very much clearly an act of war.

PS another act of war committed by the admin and Israel

http://www.slashgear.com/flame-malw...ael-to-slow-iranian-nuclear-efforts-19234747/

PSS Obama has pretty much nothing to do with my lack of faith in the Federal Government and system, he just happens to be the president right now. I personally see him as mostly ineffectual in what he wants to get done due to a very shitty congress and senate. Our leaders overall have failed us, we've been bought and sold. I refuse to support it.

PSSS I take offense to my OP being called a troll. It was pointing out the obvious, if that's trolling then lols.

 

[Corn]

Obama looks rather brown to me.

Everything looks brown to someone with shit for brains......

 

[Howard]

but, but, Bush!

What was that they said about stooping?

 

[UberNeuman]

Anti-war protesters stopped marching once Dubya was out of office. Obama can commit acts of war, perform assassination by Predator drone, and carry on Guantanamo with impunity since he's a Democrat. Don't worry, the peaceniks will come back out to play once a Republican occupies the White House again.

So, you feel our war in Iraq was a worthwhile endeavor?

\have anything more to offer than a person shouting at clouds?

 

[cybrsage]

I do, it has resulted in a democracy which is stabilizing itself more as time goes on. This, as well as the democracy installed in Afghanistan, helped push the Arab Spring to happen. The place was ready for change and we provided the spark to the powder.

 

[Bowfinger]

What was that they said about stooping?

I have no idea what you're talking about; I suspect that makes two of us. If you're trying to suggest drawing comparisons between Bush and Obama is partisan, I'd suggest you take it up with the OP since that is the basis for his thread. If you're just lashing out blindly because you don't like me refuting the OP, all I can offer is adding your butt-hurt tears to the barrel.

 

[UberNeuman]

I do, it has resulted in a democracy which is stabilizing itself more as time goes on. This, as well as the democracy installed in Afghanistan, helped push the Arab Spring to happen. The place was ready for change and we provided the spark to the powder.

well, your opinion is all well and good, however I'm looking forward to glenn1 offering something more than squeezing out a itty bitty turd nugget as he's oft to do.

\come on, glenn - you can do it...
\\most likely you won't...

 

[shira]

Butt hurt...lol. Seems you have an s&m fetish for other men's butts.

You DO know Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize while he was increasing the number of US troops engages in warfare, right?

Actually, this is your fetish, as your response to this post will clearly demonstrate.

 

[shira]

Everything looks brown to someone with shit for brains......

Since Moonbeam didn't say that EVERYTHING looks brown to him, your attempt at personal attack via syllogism fails miserably. Furthermore, even if Moonbeam HAD said "everything looks brown to me," your attack would still have been a failure because you've failed to grasp that given . . .

If A then B​

and

B​

. . . does NOT imply A.

 

[boomerang]

Since Moonbeam didn't say that EVERYTHING looks brown to him, your attempt at personal attack via syllogism fails miserably. Furthermore, even if Moonbeam HAD said "everything looks brown to me," your attack would still have been a failure because you've failed to grasp that given . . .

If A then B
​

and

B
​

. . . does NOT imply A.

What is it with the progressive brain that it takes everything so literally? Not unlike The Borg, all thinking as one. Wrongly though, because some brown crust is oozing out of a capacitor or two. Too many ones and zeros getting scrambled.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Shira, are you trying to talk logic to someone who tried to be clever while insulting someone?

His comment was a half step away from a "Yo-momma"/That's what she said slam.

Plain and simple, non contributory and inappropriate.

 

[Orignal Earl]

What? I know you meant Philippines, but what?

Deadly Drone Strike on Muslims in the Southern Philippines

Early last month, Tausug villagers on the Southern Philippine island of Jolo heard a buzzing sound not heard before. It is a sound familiar to the people of Waziristan who live along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, where the United States fights the Taliban. It was the dreaded drone, which arrives from distant and unknown destinations to cause death and destruction. Within minutes, 15 people lay dead and a community plunged into despair, fear and mourning.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2012/03/05-drones-philippines-ahmed

 

[fskimospy]

What is it with the progressive brain that it takes everything so literally? Not unlike The Borg, all thinking as one. Wrongly though, because some brown crust is oozing out of a capacitor or two. Too many ones and zeros getting scrambled.

You think liberals all think as a collective? I have no idea what planet you are living on as a primary problem the left has is a lack of collective action.

 

[blackangst1]

Deadly Drone Strike on Muslims in the Southern Philippines


http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2012/03/05-drones-philippines-ahmed

Fuckin A. Thanks for that link. I have close ties to the PI and I didnt know this. Very disturbing.

 

[Nebor]

You typically don't hear drones. They fly very high with very quiet engines.

And the US has been waging war in the Philippines for quite some time now. The death of US soldiers there usually isn't publicized, but I don't think we've gone a month without a casualty there in quite some time. They've begun using IEDs to his us while we're driving from place to place (sound familiar?)

 

[cliftonite]

I actually had no issue with Afghanistan and when Iraq was going on I didn't believe I had enough information to make a truly valued decision. In all honesty this has nothing to do with Obama being president, I don't care who it is. I don't like antagonizing a fight, I'm a "do unto others" person. So when I see the government, one I used to support, "doing unto others" I see it as an "ok" to do unto me. That is not something I support and I do not wish it done unto me, so I do not support it and this is very much clearly an act of war.

PS another act of war committed by the admin and Israel

http://www.slashgear.com/flame-malw...ael-to-slow-iranian-nuclear-efforts-19234747/

PSS Obama has pretty much nothing to do with my lack of faith in the Federal Government and system, he just happens to be the president right now. I personally see him as mostly ineffectual in what he wants to get done due to a very shitty congress and senate. Our leaders overall have failed us, we've been bought and sold. I refuse to support it.

PSSS I take offense to my OP being called a troll. It was pointing out the obvious, if that's trolling then lols.

I guess you won't be voting for Romney then. He believes he can attack Iran without congressional approval:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-he-could-fight-iran-without-congress/258729/

 

[cybrsage]

Actually, this is your fetish, as your response to this post will clearly demonstrate.

Projection of your failings do not magically make them true...but it does help you sleep at night. If you do not want to be called out for talking about your requent mentioning of men's butts hurting, don't talk about butt hurt so much.

On that note, no more OT posting about your fetish in this thread, it is about the Obama admin (maybe) committing acts of war in Iran.

 

[cybrsage]

I guess you won't be voting for Romney then. He believes he can attack Iran without congressional approval:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-he-could-fight-iran-without-congress/258729/

According to the War Powers Act:

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/war-powers.php

We have already shown direct Iranian involvement in attacks on US troops in Iraq. The next soldier who dies there could be used to trigger item (3), above. Quite possibly, previous deaths could still be used, though they are harder to politically win.

All that said, it is was agreed by the majority of Congress that the Libyan action did not actually constitute Military Hostilities (and thereby setting a precident), a president could easily bomb the crap out of Iraq without invoking the War Powers Act.

 

[bfdd]

of course I'm not voting for Romney lol. I've been extremely vocal about my displeasure with him on these forums. I don't believe he has a chance at winning either, anyone who does is giving him and the Republican elite far far to much credit.