NYT: In Many Cities, Rent Is Rising Out of Reach of Middle Class

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/b...30-affordability-ratio-unattainable.html?_r=0

Nationally, half of all renters are now spending more than 30 percent of their income on housing, according to a comprehensive Harvard study, up from 38 percent of renters in 2000. In December, Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan declared “the worst rental affordability crisis that this country has ever known.”

Just thought this was interesting, potentially a consequence of the growing rift between the wealthy and everyone else.

I make a salary considerably above the median wage in my city and I live in a small apartment that I share with another guy (a lawyer), in a cheaper part of the city. There are certainly people who make what I make and live in more expensive housing, choosing to be "apartment poor" I guess.

I also own three modest houses (~1,000 sq. ft. apiece), and there are a total of 18 people living in them, spread across six nuclear families. Each of these households has multiple wage earners. (None are section 8, although I'm sure there's government assistance going on in some way).

I'm not groussing or complaining or anything, I just see this as a quiet way the middle and working classes are adjusting to the new reality.
 

Atreus21

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/b...30-affordability-ratio-unattainable.html?_r=0



Just thought this was interesting, potentially a consequence of the growing rift between the wealthy and everyone else.

I make a salary considerably above the median wage in my city and I live in a small apartment that I share with another guy (a lawyer), in a cheaper part of the city. There are certainly people who make what I make and live in more expensive housing, choosing to be "apartment poor" I guess.

I also own three modest houses (~1,000 sq. ft. apiece), and there are a total of 18 people living in them, spread across six nuclear families. Each of these households has multiple wage earners. (None are section 8, although I'm sure there's government assistance going on in some way).

I'm not groussing or complaining or anything, I just see this as a quiet way the middle and working classes are adjusting to the new reality.

I was briefly a landlord after Katrina. It's a real blessing when you have good tenants. A guy from Cameroon, his Nigerian wife and her brother. Kept the place spotless. Very nice folks. Once I get back into sound financial status I want to get back into real estate. I enjoyed my short foray into it.

Not that this pertains to your OP. I always like an excuse to talk about that experience.
 

glenn1

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This isn't a bad thing. Having mega-cities like New York is stupid in this day and age. Telework and internet connectivity can and should more equally distribute worker populations across the country, and especially drive employers to areas that are less policitically stupid and more accomdative to businesses than NYC. Unless it's an absolute requirement to have an onsite presence somewhere (like a hospital) setting up shop in NYC is simply stupid from both an individual or employer basis.
 

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This isn't a bad thing. Having mega-cities like New York is stupid in this day and age. Telework and internet connectivity can and should more equally distribute worker populations across the country, and especially drive employers to areas that are less policitically stupid and more accomdative to businesses than NYC. Unless it's an absolute requirement to have an onsite presence somewhere (like a hospital) setting up shop in NYC is simply stupid from both an individual or employer basis.

as someone who works in NYC... I agree.

I have a job that I can 100% telecommute to, and indeed, I occasionally do work from home when the need arises (certainly, if I give my boss the option of me taking a sick day vs working from home because I'm snowed in, sick, car broke down, etc... he always chooses the "me working from home" option), but for whatever reason, my company refuses to embrace it as a policy.

if I was a telecommuter, I'd probably move an hour or two away where prices are a quarter of what they are here.
 

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as someone who works in NYC... I agree.

I have a job that I can 100% telecommute to, and indeed, I occasionally do work from home when the need arises (certainly, if I give my boss the option of me taking a sick day vs working from home because I'm snowed in, sick, car broke down, etc... he always chooses the "me working from home" option), but for whatever reason, my company refuses to embrace it as a policy.

if I was a telecommuter, I'd probably move an hour or two away where prices are a quarter of what they are here.


Which makes no sense. My wife has teleworked for 7+ years now. Even with all the layoffs she is still chosen as one of their best employees and they keep her yet she uses very little of their electricity, heating/cooling, water, etc...

Not only does she get to work on time, even during snow storms and such, but she cost less to maintain her workspace. We pay more but it gives her more options for medical days, teacher meetings, etc... yet she gets back to work faster instead of taking the day off.
 

glenn1

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as someone who works in NYC... I agree.

I have a job that I can 100% telecommute to, and indeed, I occasionally do work from home when the need arises (certainly, if I give my boss the option of me taking a sick day vs working from home because I'm snowed in, sick, car broke down, etc... he always chooses the "me working from home" option), but for whatever reason, my company refuses to embrace it as a policy.

if I was a telecommuter, I'd probably move an hour or two away where prices are a quarter of what they are here.

Would be interesting to see where the "goldilocks" point is where the network effects of an urban area are maximized (or at least start levelling out) while not going beyond and making the place more crowded and vulnerable to threats. My guess is that we'd be far better off with 10 cities the size of Indianapolis than one the size of NYC.
 

BoberFett

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What do the wealthy have to do with this? Do the wealthy occupy entire buildings that could otherwise house thousands of people? No.

Supply and demand is a fairly simple concept.
 

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What do the wealthy have to do with this? Do the wealthy occupy entire buildings that could otherwise house thousands of people? No.

Supply and demand is a fairly simple concept.


Why do you hate middle class America so much?
 

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Rent is perfectly affordable,... it's the middle class that decides to spend it's money on the following, instead of rent:
- drugs
- tattoos
- iPhones
- cable
- abortions
- drinking
- new rims for their cars
- new cars
- sound systems for their cars

It's a shame really,...
 

Anubis

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Rent is perfectly affordable,... it's the middle class that decides to spend it's money on the following, instead of rent:
- drugs
- tattoos
- iPhones
- cable
- abortions
- drinking
- new rims for their cars
- new cars
- sound systems for their cars

It's a shame really,...

where i live its much cheaper to just buy a house vs pay rent provided you have the down payment and can cover taxes, the month to month payment is like 1/2 what rent if not even less
 

nageov3t

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where i live its much cheaper to just buy a house vs pay rent provided you have the down payment and can cover taxes, the month to month payment is like 1/2 what rent if not even less

property tax can be a real bitch, though.

what my parents pay in property taxes alone -- ignoring mortgage -- for their 3-4 bedroom house in Jersey is about equal to what I pay in rent.
 

Newell Steamer

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where i live its much cheaper to just buy a house vs pay rent provided you have the down payment and can cover taxes, the month to month payment is like 1/2 what rent if not even less

Totally understood.

I'm just parroting the folks who feel the victims are at fault here. Sort of like when a husband beats his wife nearly to death and it's the wife's fault for pissing him off to that point.
 

Anubis

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property tax can be a real bitch, though.

what my parents pay in property taxes alone -- ignoring mortgage -- for their 3-4 bedroom house in Jersey is about equal to what I pay in rent.

oh i know

think my rents pay like 10k a year in property taxes, and they live in the middle of nowhere in western NY
 

glenn1

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Totally understood.

I'm just parroting the folks who feel the victims are at fault here. Sort of like when a husband beats his wife nearly to death and it's the wife's fault for pissing him off to that point.

Victims? Who the fuck are victims?
 

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Just thought this was interesting, potentially a consequence of the growing rift between the wealthy and everyone else.

I make a salary considerably above the median wage in my city and I live in a small apartment that I share with another guy (a lawyer), in a cheaper part of the city. There are certainly people who make what I make and live in more expensive housing, choosing to be "apartment poor" I guess.

I also own three modest houses (~1,000 sq. ft. apiece), and there are a total of 18 people living in them, spread across six nuclear families. Each of these households has multiple wage earners. (None are section 8, although I'm sure there's government assistance going on in some way).

I'm not groussing or complaining or anything, I just see this as a quiet way the middle and working classes are adjusting to the new reality.

I posted on this the other day here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2378402&highlight=

Here is some of what one of the other article said:

The Blackstone Group, a private equity firm, is now the largest owner of single-family rental homes in the country. In one day alone, Blackstone bought up 1,400 houses in Atlanta. And as private equity firms gobble up huge swaths of the housing market, they are partnering with big banks to bundle the mortgages on these rental homes into a new financial product known as "rental-backed securities," reminiscent of the "mortgage-backed securities" that helped cause the last financial crisis.

Could this new private equity rental empire help spark the next housing crisis? We are joined by Laura Gottesdiener, author of "A Dream Foreclosed: Black America and the Fight for a Place to Call Home," who calls this wave of purchases "a land grab." Gottesdiener’s latest article focuses on New York City’s rental market, a case study in what critics call "predatory equity." Large firms have used abusive tactics to oust tenants in a bid to hike up rents — and tenants have been resisting. We are also joined by Benjamin Warren, who, along with nearly 1,600 families in 42 buildings, is a victim of one of the largest single foreclosures in the city’s recent history.

You may not have heard of the Blackstone Group, but it’s the largest private equity firm in the world. And now it’s become the largest owner of single-family rental homes in the country. Over the last few years, Blackstone and other Wall Street firms have been quietly grabbing up huge swaths of the rental housing market, purchasing more than 200,000 cheap homes, hoping to turn a profit. At one auction in Atlanta, Blackstone swept up 1,400 houses in a single day. A new report released Wednesday by Right to the City Alliance found like Blackstone tenants in Atlanta had reported a range of issues, from burst pipes and exposed plumbing to bed bugs, which their Wall Street landlord has been slow to fix. In addition, private equity firms are partnering with big banks to bundle the mortgages on these rental homes into a new financial product known as "rental-backed securities," reminiscent of the mortgage-backed securities that crashed the economy in 2007 and 2008.

Now a new article turns the spotlight on New York City, a case study on what critics call "predatory equity." Here in New York, private equity firms have bought up rent-regulated properties, hoping tenants will leave so they can hike up the rent. When tenants fought to stay, the firms resorted to predatory tactics, from sending out fake eviction notices to shutting off heat or water. Right now in New York City, 1,600 families in 42 buildings are falling victim to one of the largest single foreclosures in the city’s recent history, after a conglomerate of private equity firms failed to pay its mortgage.
For more, we’re joined now by two guests. Ben Warren is with us. He’s a housing advocate who has been part of his building’s tenant committee in the South Bronx since the 1980s. He’s a tenant in one of those 42 buildings now being hit by the massive foreclosure, member of Community Action for Safe Apartments, orCASA. And Laura Gottesdiener is with us, the author of A Dream Foreclosed: Black America and the Fight for a Place to Call Home. It was published by Zuccotti Park Press. She’s an editor at Waging Nonviolence. Her most recent piece for TomDispatch is called "When Predatory Equity Hit the Big Apple: How Private Equity Came to New York’s Rental Market—and What That Tells Us About the Future."

We’ve been looking at the growth of this single-family rental empire across the country, what we hear over and over again is that this is an utterly unprecedented phenomenon, that nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the United States. In many ways, that’s true. But in other ways, in New York City, we have this case study of what it’s looked like over the last decade when private equity firms have gone in and seen what they consider to be opportunities in the housing market to make a lot of money really quickly. I know this is something, Juan, that you’ve covered extensively for the Daily News. And what’s important to see, both in this case right now that Benjamin is living through and that 1,600 other families are living through and in a slew of other past very high-profile deals, is that this has been something of a disaster not just for tenants, but also from a financial perspective. These are deals that they were betting big—these private equity firms were betting big that they could turn these buildings around by pushing out hundreds of thousands of families. They weren't able to push out families, because families organized. And as a result of that organizing, these deals failed, and it made a situation where the broader housing market in New York City got hit and these tenants had to live in completely inhumane conditions.
 

glenn1

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Be sure to punch a wall when you say that, you psychotic lunatic.

Hey, it's a delusional paranoid claiming "victim" status for high rents in NYC calling someone "psychotic." Guess there's only a few hundred thousand just like you in Manhattan. But don't worry, keep on checking Worstroom.com and maybe you too can find a shared bunkbed in a 1-room basement house in Queens for under $2k/month.
 

BoberFett

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Why do you hate middle class America so much?

Rent is perfectly affordable,... it's the middle class that decides to spend it's money on the following, instead of rent:
- drugs
- tattoos
- iPhones
- cable
- abortions
- drinking
- new rims for their cars
- new cars
- sound systems for their cars

It's a shame really,...

Why are Democrats such ignorant twats?
 

SMOGZINN

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What do the wealthy have to do with this? Do the wealthy occupy entire buildings that could otherwise house thousands of people? No.

Supply and demand is a fairly simple concept.

It is not really a supply and demand issue. The there is ample supply, in a lot of markets they overbuilt during the last housing bubble. The problem is that the real estate market is being manipulated by large corporations, and has been for several decades now.
 

hal2kilo

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Rent is perfectly affordable,... it's the middle class that decides to spend it's money on the following, instead of rent:
- drugs
- tattoos
- iPhones
- cable
- abortions
- drinking
- new rims for their cars
- new cars
- sound systems for their cars

It's a shame really,...

I was going to add tiara's but we're talking about the middle class not females on welfare.
 
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Oldgamer

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Where I live rent rates went up over 10% within the past 2 years. A 600sq ft apartment is 1000.00 now. These apartments many of them are being taken over by management companies owned by big banks. They are rapidly renovating them and setting the new higher rental prices.
 

BoberFett

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It is not really a supply and demand issue. The there is ample supply, in a lot of markets they overbuilt during the last housing bubble. The problem is that the real estate market is being manipulated by large corporations, and has been for several decades now.

If the rent is too high, then demand should drop and there should be vacant units cutting into those evil corporations profits, yes?

I hear there's cheap property in Detroit.
 

Blackjack200

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If the rent is too high, then demand should drop and there should be vacant units cutting into those evil corporations profits, yes?

I hear there's cheap property in Detroit.

I actually agree with BF here. You don't even have to go to Detroit. I guess the reason I posted this is that there seems to be this social expectation that once you have your education and career, you buy your house in a nice neighborhood (or rent your nice apartment as the case may be). But that doesn't really seem realistic anymore.

I guess what I'm trying to drive at is, for your median wage earner, what is the new reality? Is it a cheap rental/purchase in a blighted area? Is it continuing to live with roomates well into the 30s and 40s? Or is it spending 30%30%-40% of their net income on rent?