NYC Votes to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries

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Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ElFenix
wtf is trans fat

<--- confused



as for the market correcting itself, the market can only correct itself if people have the information to vote with their pocketbooks. with fast food places that chose to disclose, or to use the announcement of trans fat free as a marketing tool, the market can do so. most places didn't disclose, though. so you've got imperfect information. markets operate horribly with imperfect information.

But there you are wrong. Consumers HAVE been asking for info and more chain restaurants have been supplying it. Chili's is the first one to come to mind.

It was happening. The fact that "trans fat free" had become an effective marketing tool is all the proof you need to see that the market was handling the situation itself. Not only the disclosure, but the elimination of trans fats. To pass regulation was unneeded and absurd.

Unfortunately, dissipation of accurate information is a slow process in the United States in particular to poorer, less developed regions. If any group receives information slower than another then you have an imperfect information cycle, hence the need for regulation. Using trans fat free as a marketing tool may be effective but is it as effective as the original marketing tools that they were using prior to the discovery that trans fats are bad?

 

[her209]

In Santa Monica, CA, all restuarants have been banned from using styrofoam containers.

 

[opticalmace]

that's great. too bad i don't live in NY.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: alm4rr

Originally posted by: alm4rr
sounds good to me. once manufacturers were required to disclose trans fat, they all had a choice of disclosing how unhealthy the food was or with a little effort change up the ingredients to dramatically reduce transfat. Surprise! Oreos taste the same with much reduced levels of trans fat.

It's not like eateries disclose the nutritional information of their products, short of fast food places. . I could be sympathetic if they hadn't fought nutritional disclosure at every turn. Without disclosure, they get regulated. They chose regulation.

edit: The groceries you buy, like bacon, have nutritional information right on the package.

You repeated yourself... why?

Again, the market was adjusting itself due to customer demand. Regulation was not needed.

So no harm, no foul then.

There is no good reason for us to be using trans fats. Especially when it is nearly impossible to tell whether or not it's in your food.

If this actually took something meaningful away, I'd care. But you won't be able to tell a sh*t of a difference in the taste of your food. The only difference is that it's less likely to kill you. It's a poison that you get nothing out of. It's solely a cost cutting measure for the companies, and they will not self-regulate when there is money to be made.

Would you say the same thing about asbestos?

 

[JS80]

the beginning of totalitarianism

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: her209
In Santa Monica, CA, all restuarants have been banned from using styrofoam containers.

Because it's yet another thing that does more harm than good to the general public.

 

[Childs]

I'm waiting for them to pass a law saying I dont know how to wipe my butt, so a trained city worker will do it for me, supervised by OSHA.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused
The absurdity of it all is that the market was correcting itself. Restaurant after restaurant has voluntarily eliminated trans fats due to customer demands. Taco Bell and KFC being the latest fast food eateries to do so. More are working toward eliminating it.

Another example of unneeded regulation when the market was fully capable and willing to work toward a solution itself.

Yeah, I actually agree with you on this. They've gone too far on this one. Even though I don't eat at most of the places mentioned in this thread I don't see why they need to pass laws outright banning this stuff. I think our nation can and will swing back to a more healthy lifestyle without the passing of unecessary laws and more bureaucracy.

Now cigarattes...they can ban those all day long for all I care.

 

[0roo0roo]

other countries in europe with the same restaurants get by with tighter restrictions. no big problem. as for the free market solving all problems. imagine child labor or dumping toxic waste if it were never made illegal

 

[Deleted member 4644]

I think it's good. Food is one thing most Americans are too stupid to understand. Diet is CRITICAL to health care.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I'm not going to wave an american flag and cry due to the loss of rights. It's oil, people. Transfat free foods taste the same as oil cooked in hydrogenated oils - it's not like the government is trying to say who I can or can't marry.. Oh, wait....

It's a bold move, yes.. But how exactly does this "trample" on our rights? Big business will always use the cheaper alternative unless the government steps in to regulate them. Transfats have been proven to be unsafe and, through medical expenses, costly... Like the smoking ban, this is something people will b1tch about now and adjust to in a few months time. I, for one, appreciate that restaurants in my city are now going to use a safer alternative.

Biscuits come to mind when I think something that needs trans fat to make them. I will agree that pretty much everything can be made just as good without trans-fats. But KFC + Popeyes in NYC will be screwed. There is simply no good way to make Biscuits any other way

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Amused
The absurdity of it all is that the market was correcting itself. Restaurant after restaurant has voluntarily eliminated trans fats due to customer demands. Taco Bell and KFC being the latest fast food eateries to do so. More are working toward eliminating it.

Another example of unneeded regulation when the market was fully capable and willing to work toward a solution itself.

You make a good point. Capitalism and consumerism does work...

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

the places that use it are places like McDonalds, people don't eat there for the "healthy cuisine" Yes Transfat is super bad for your body, but McDonald fries won't become magically good for you because they can't use Transfats anymore. the ban makes as much sense as California requiring me to wear a seat belt, sure it's smart to wear it, but if a person doesn't who can they hurt but themselves?

we're adults, let us live our lives...

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

the places that use it are places like McDonalds, people don't eat there for the "healthy cuisine" Yes Transfat is super bad for your body, but McDonald fries won't become magically good for you because they can't use Transfats anymore. the ban makes as much sense as California requiring me to wear a seat belt, sure it's smart to wear it, but if a person doesn't who can they hurt but themselves?

we're adults, let us live our lives...

Exactly.

 

[ForumMaster]

this is a good start. when you see kids that have bigger breasts then some girls, it says enough about the horrible situation that we're in. every little step helps. by lowering these fats, you can eliminate future heart problems for millions of americans. i don't see why anyone is complaining. the food tastes the same, it's just healthier.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Amused
But there you are wrong. Consumers HAVE been asking for info and more chain restaurants have been supplying it. Chili's is the first one to come to mind.

It was happening. The fact that "trans fat free" had become an effective marketing tool is all the proof you need to see that the market was handling the situation itself. Not only the disclosure, but the elimination of trans fats. To pass regulation was unneeded and absurd.

more tacky chain restaurants, maybe, but can you imagine commander's palace or tavern on the green putting 'trans-fat free!' at the bottom of their menu? i can't.

Originally posted by: QueBert
the ban makes as much sense as California requiring me to wear a seat belt, sure it's smart to wear it, but if a person doesn't who can they hurt but themselves?

we're adults, let us live our lives...

a) someone has to scrape your ass up off the ground when you fly out of your car and hit the pavement at 75 mph
b) if it's on a major highway they'll have to close it, causing countless man-hours of lost time
c) if your body hits someone while flying out of your car at 75 it'll probably be the most traumatic experience of their life, in addition to whatever physical damage is caused to their car

don't try to pretend that you live in a vacuum and that your actions don't affect lots of other people.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

the places that use it are places like McDonalds, people don't eat there for the "healthy cuisine" Yes Transfat is super bad for your body, but McDonald fries won't become magically good for you because they can't use Transfats anymore. the ban makes as much sense as California requiring me to wear a seat belt, sure it's smart to wear it, but if a person doesn't who can they hurt but themselves?

we're adults, let us live our lives...

Banning trans fats is not about personal health, its about public health.

 

[ElFenix]

Hu and colleagues analyzed data from 900 coronary events from the NHS population during 14 years of followup. He determined that a nurse's CHD risk roughly doubled (relative risk of 1.94) for each 2% increase in trans fat calories consumed (instead of carbohydrate calories). By contrast, it takes more than a 15% increase in saturated fat calories (instead of carbohydrate calories) to produce a similar increase in risk. Eating non-trans unsaturated fats instead of carbohydrates reduces the risk of CHD rather than increasing it.[20]

jesus christ!

<--- glad he hates margarine

Obesity: Research indicates that trans fat may increase weight gain and abdominal fat, despite a similar caloric intake.[28] A 6-year experiment revealed that monkeys fed a trans-fat diet gained 7.2% of their body weight, as compared to 1.8% for monkeys on a mono-unsaturated fat diet. Although obesity is frequently linked to trans fat in the popular media,[29] this is generally in the context of eating too many calories; there is no scientific consensus connecting trans fat and obesity.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

I'm sorry, did I offend you because I stated I don't need the government to decide what is good and what is bad for me? Is it because you are unable to decide these things for yourself that you need someone else to make a decision for you? You seem to know that transfat is bad for you. Here's a thought, DON'T EAT AT A FSCKING RESTAURANT THAT SERVES IT.

I swear some people would curl up into the fetal position and die if the government wasn't there to protect them from themselves.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Unheard

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Unheard
Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?

Shutup fatty. This is a good thing. Transfat is an artificially created fat that is incredibly bad for your body. They didn't realize when they first started making it. This is no different than banning a particular pesticide because it causes liver failure.

I'm sorry, did I offend you because I stated I don't need the government to decide what is good and what is bad for me? Is it because you are unable to decide these things for yourself that you need someone else to make a decision for you? You seem to know that transfat is bad for you. Here's a thought, DON'T EAT AT A FSCKING RESTAURANT THAT SERVES IT.

I swear some people would curl up into the fetal position and die if the government wasn't there to protect them from themselves.

It is nearly impossible to know whether or not there are trans fats, or anything else for that matter, in your food when you go to a restaurant.

It might have been a better idea to force all restaurants to put nutritional information on their menus, which is a no brainer...but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the ban.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Amused
But there you are wrong. Consumers HAVE been asking for info and more chain restaurants have been supplying it. Chili's is the first one to come to mind.

It was happening. The fact that "trans fat free" had become an effective marketing tool is all the proof you need to see that the market was handling the situation itself. Not only the disclosure, but the elimination of trans fats. To pass regulation was unneeded and absurd.

more tacky chain restaurants, maybe, but can you imagine commander's palace or tavern on the green putting 'trans-fat free!' at the bottom of their menu? i can't.

Originally posted by: QueBert
the ban makes as much sense as California requiring me to wear a seat belt, sure it's smart to wear it, but if a person doesn't who can they hurt but themselves?

we're adults, let us live our lives...

a) someone has to scrape your ass up off the ground when you fly out of your car and hit the pavement at 75 mph
b) if it's on a major highway they'll have to close it, causing countless man-hours of lost time
c) if your body hits someone while flying out of your car at 75 it'll probably be the most traumatic experience of their life, in addition to whatever physical damage is caused to their car

don't try to pretend that you live in a vacuum and that your actions don't affect lots of other people.

if I get in an automobile accident and die wouldn't it be cheaper to "scrape me off the pavement" because I flew out of my car? if I belt up, and the car is almost totally crushed, they're going to have to bring in the jaws of life to get me out, which will end up costing more money, and having the freeway closed that much longer because it's much more of a process then simply scraping me off the highway. I fail to see any logic there..

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: QueBert

if I get in an automobile accident and die wouldn't it be cheaper to "scrape me off the pavement" because I flew out of my car? if I belt up, and the car is almost totally crushed, they're going to have to bring in the jaws of life to get me out, which will end up costing more money, and having the freeway closed that much longer because it's much more of a process then simply scraping me off the highway. I fail to see any logic there..

with your belt on you wouldn't be dead (at least, must more often than if your belt is off), so they don't need the deadly accident investigation team out there. those guys take much more time than an ambulance and the jaws of life.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

The absurdity of it all is that the market was correcting itself. Restaurant after restaurant has voluntarily eliminated trans fats due to customer demands. Taco Bell and KFC being the latest fast food eateries to do so. More are working toward eliminating it.

Another example of unneeded regulation when the market was fully capable and willing to work toward a solution itself.

It's happening now in the pre-packaged food industry, where it looks like capitalism will once again beat out government regulation attempts. I have noticed a massive increase of pre-packaged food products now bearing labels stating that they contain no trans fats, even those that never had any to begin with. It's just like the whole "fat free" and "cholesterol free" move in the past. It is now becoming a major advertising and selling point to have no trans fats.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

The absurdity of it all is that the market was correcting itself. Restaurant after restaurant has voluntarily eliminated trans fats due to customer demands. Taco Bell and KFC being the latest fast food eateries to do so. More are working toward eliminating it.

Another example of unneeded regulation when the market was fully capable and willing to work toward a solution itself.

It's happening now in the pre-packaged food industry, where it looks like capitalism will once again beat out government regulation attempts. I have noticed a massive increase of pre-packaged food products now bearing labels stating that they contain no trans fats, even those that never had any to begin with. It's just like the whole "fat free" and "cholesterol free" move in the past. It is now becoming a major advertising and selling point to have no trans fats.

Yep.

And it's only fair that they allow the market to correct itself. We wouldn't have trans fats in most of our foods were it not for the food police. They pushed (hard, very hard) trans fats in the 70s and 80s as a "healthy alternative" to saturated fats. The main perpetrator was none other than the epitome of the food police, the Center for Science in the Public Interest.