NYC Votes to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries

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NYC Votes to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries
By SARA KUGLER, AP

NEW YORK (Dec. 5) - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the first city in the nation to ban artificial trans fats at restaurants - from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

The board, which passed the ban by a unanimous vote, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July 1, and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of its foods by July 1, 2008.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.

The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer's original packaging.

Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.

Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and also turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix.

The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a monthly weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim.

He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets.

"Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers - I love those things too," he said recently. "But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that."

Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels.

Fast-food restaurants and other major chains were particularly interested in the board's decision on Tuesday, because for these companies, a trans-fat ban wouldn't just involve substituting one ingredient for another. In addition to overhauling recipes, they have to disrupt nationwide supply operations and try to convince customers that the new french fries and doughnuts will taste just as good as the originals.

Already, McDonald's Corp. has been quietly experimenting with more than a dozen healthier oil blends in some of its U.S. restaurants, but still has not committed to a full switch. At an investor conference last month, CEO Jim Skinner said the company is making "very good progress," at developing an alternative, and vowed to be ready for a New York City ban.

Wendy's International Inc. introduced a zero-trans fat oil in August and Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC and Taco Bell said they too will cut the trans fats from their kitchens.

Taco Bell worked for more than two years to find a substitute, conducting blind consumer taste tests and extensive research, the company said.

Chicago is also considering its own trans fat law, which wouldn't ban them outright but would severely restrict the amount that kitchens can use. The measure would apply only to large restaurants, defined as those that make more than $20 million in sales per year.

New York's move to ban trans fats has mostly been applauded by health and medical groups, although the American Heart Association warns that if restaurants aren't given ample time to make the switch, they could end up reverting to ingredients high in saturated fat, like palm oil.

The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains.

 

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Thank you mother government for protecting me from myself. Next could you provide for me to have 6 kids, and not hold a job?
 

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hmm as i said in the other thread i don't like this. while i do not like trans fat i do not liek them banning it. Chicago tried to ban foi gras (goose liver?) and that failed really bad.
 

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Hopefully this will be defeated in court. It's not like these places are sneaking arsenic into food. A ban like this should only happen if it's a mandate from the people.
 

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Originally posted by: waggy
hmm as i said in the other thread i don't like this. while i do not like trans fat i do not liek them banning it. Chicago tried to ban foi gras (goose liver?) and that failed really bad.

Yep. Instead of Big Brother, we have Big Mother.

Nanny fascism to the rescue!
 

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Hopefully this will be defeated in court. It's not like these places are sneaking arsenic into food. A ban like this should only happen if it's a mandate from the people.

We can only hope. And I disagree substance bans should be decided by popular vote.

Most people would vote to ban narcotics, even though the ban has caused more harm than good.
 

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sounds good to me. once manufacturers were required to disclose trans fat, they all had a choice of disclosing how unhealthy the food was or with a little effort change up the ingredients to dramatically reduce transfat. Surprise! Oreos taste the same with much reduced levels of trans fat.

It's not like eateries disclose the nutritional information of their products, short of fast food places. . I could be sympathetic if they hadn't fought nutritional disclosure at every turn. Without disclosure, they get regulated. They chose regulation.

edit: The groceries you buy, like bacon, have nutritional information right on the package.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Hopefully this will be defeated in court. It's not like these places are sneaking arsenic into food. A ban like this should only happen if it's a mandate from the people.

We can only hope. And I disagree substance bans should be decided by popular vote.

Most people would vote to ban narcotics, even though the ban has caused more harm than good.

But hey, at least I can still buy a bottle of Bacardi 151, a few pounds of bacon, and get hammered while I wait for the bacon to cook in my deep fryer. Then I can wrap the bacon around sticks of pure butter... mmm, rich creamery butter...
 

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Originally posted by: waggy

Lard is great to cook with. but it wouldnt suprise me if in 5 years they try. or peopole start sueing for it.

Yep. People need to learn that the slippery slope DOES exist. And one day something they enjoy will be threatened by it.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
NYC Votes to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries
By SARA KUGLER, AP

NEW YORK (Dec. 5) - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the first city in the nation to ban artificial trans fats at restaurants - from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

The board, which passed the ban by a unanimous vote, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July 1, and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of its foods by July 1, 2008.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.

The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer's original packaging.

Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.

Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and also turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix.

The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a monthly weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim.

He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets.

"Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers - I love those things too," he said recently. "But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that."

Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels.

Fast-food restaurants and other major chains were particularly interested in the board's decision on Tuesday, because for these companies, a trans-fat ban wouldn't just involve substituting one ingredient for another. In addition to overhauling recipes, they have to disrupt nationwide supply operations and try to convince customers that the new french fries and doughnuts will taste just as good as the originals.

Already, McDonald's Corp. has been quietly experimenting with more than a dozen healthier oil blends in some of its U.S. restaurants, but still has not committed to a full switch. At an investor conference last month, CEO Jim Skinner said the company is making "very good progress," at developing an alternative, and vowed to be ready for a New York City ban.

Wendy's International Inc. introduced a zero-trans fat oil in August and Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC and Taco Bell said they too will cut the trans fats from their kitchens.

Taco Bell worked for more than two years to find a substitute, conducting blind consumer taste tests and extensive research, the company said.

Chicago is also considering its own trans fat law, which wouldn't ban them outright but would severely restrict the amount that kitchens can use. The measure would apply only to large restaurants, defined as those that make more than $20 million in sales per year.

New York's move to ban trans fats has mostly been applauded by health and medical groups, although the American Heart Association warns that if restaurants aren't given ample time to make the switch, they could end up reverting to ingredients high in saturated fat, like palm oil.

The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains.

..next they'll ban the puss guts that waddle in/out of those joints.

 

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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: Amused
NYC Votes to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries
By SARA KUGLER, AP

NEW YORK (Dec. 5) - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the first city in the nation to ban artificial trans fats at restaurants - from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

The board, which passed the ban by a unanimous vote, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July 1, and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of its foods by July 1, 2008.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.

The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer's original packaging.

Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.

Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and also turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix.

The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a monthly weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim.

He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets.

"Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers - I love those things too," he said recently. "But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that."

Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels.

Fast-food restaurants and other major chains were particularly interested in the board's decision on Tuesday, because for these companies, a trans-fat ban wouldn't just involve substituting one ingredient for another. In addition to overhauling recipes, they have to disrupt nationwide supply operations and try to convince customers that the new french fries and doughnuts will taste just as good as the originals.

Already, McDonald's Corp. has been quietly experimenting with more than a dozen healthier oil blends in some of its U.S. restaurants, but still has not committed to a full switch. At an investor conference last month, CEO Jim Skinner said the company is making "very good progress," at developing an alternative, and vowed to be ready for a New York City ban.

Wendy's International Inc. introduced a zero-trans fat oil in August and Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC and Taco Bell said they too will cut the trans fats from their kitchens.

Taco Bell worked for more than two years to find a substitute, conducting blind consumer taste tests and extensive research, the company said.

Chicago is also considering its own trans fat law, which wouldn't ban them outright but would severely restrict the amount that kitchens can use. The measure would apply only to large restaurants, defined as those that make more than $20 million in sales per year.

New York's move to ban trans fats has mostly been applauded by health and medical groups, although the American Heart Association warns that if restaurants aren't given ample time to make the switch, they could end up reverting to ingredients high in saturated fat, like palm oil.

The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains.

..next they'll ban the puss guts that waddle in/out of those joints.

definatley.

and in case you forgot what the article said i quoted it again.
 

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The absurdity of it all is that the market was correcting itself. Restaurant after restaurant has voluntarily eliminated trans fats due to customer demands. Taco Bell and KFC being the latest fast food eateries to do so. More are working toward eliminating it.

Another example of unneeded regulation when the market was fully capable and willing to work toward a solution itself.
 

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Originally posted by: alm4rr
sounds good to me. once manufacturers were required to disclose trans fat, they all had a choice of disclosing how unhealthy the food was or with a little effort change up the ingredients to dramatically reduce transfat. Surprise! Oreos taste the same with much reduced levels of trans fat.

It's not like eateries disclose the nutritional information of their products, short of fast food places. . I could be sympathetic if they hadn't fought nutritional disclosure at every turn. Without disclosure, they get regulated. They chose regulation.

edit: The groceries you buy, like bacon, have nutritional information right on the package.

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: alm4rr
Originally posted by: alm4rr
sounds good to me. once manufacturers were required to disclose trans fat, they all had a choice of disclosing how unhealthy the food was or with a little effort change up the ingredients to dramatically reduce transfat. Surprise! Oreos taste the same with much reduced levels of trans fat.

It's not like eateries disclose the nutritional information of their products, short of fast food places. . I could be sympathetic if they hadn't fought nutritional disclosure at every turn. Without disclosure, they get regulated. They chose regulation.

edit: The groceries you buy, like bacon, have nutritional information right on the package.

You repeated yourself... why?

Again, the market was adjusting itself due to customer demand. Regulation was not needed.
 
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I'm not going to wave an american flag and cry due to the loss of rights. It's oil, people. Transfat free foods taste the same as oil cooked in hydrogenated oils - it's not like the government is trying to say who I can or can't marry.. Oh, wait....

It's a bold move, yes.. But how exactly does this "trample" on our rights? Big business will always use the cheaper alternative unless the government steps in to regulate them. Transfats have been proven to be unsafe and, through medical expenses, costly... Like the smoking ban, this is something people will b1tch about now and adjust to in a few months time. I, for one, appreciate that restaurants in my city are now going to use a safer alternative.
 

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wtf is trans fat

<--- confused



as for the market correcting itself, the market can only correct itself if people have the information to vote with their pocketbooks. with fast food places that chose to disclose, or to use the announcement of trans fat free as a marketing tool, the market can do so. most places didn't disclose, though. so you've got imperfect information. markets operate horribly with imperfect information.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
wtf is trans fat

<--- confused



as for the market correcting itself, the market can only correct itself if people have the information to vote with their pocketbooks. with fast food places that chose to disclose, or to use the announcement of trans fat free as a marketing tool, the market can do so. most places didn't disclose, though. so you've got imperfect information. markets operate horribly with imperfect information.

But there you are wrong. Consumers HAVE been asking for info and more chain restaurants have been supplying it. Chili's is the first one to come to mind.

It was happening. The fact that "trans fat free" had become an effective marketing tool is all the proof you need to see that the market was handling the situation itself. Not only the disclosure, but the elimination of trans fats. To pass regulation was unneeded and absurd.