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I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT.
Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference? 
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT.Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference?
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I think Dilbert is supposed to work for every corporation.Originally posted by: Idontcare
Dilbert works for Nvidia?
Just joking of course, but the cartoon is funny because it does kind of reflect reality.
Probably very few, you could just take a look at the % of people that upgrade video cards within a span of 6 months. Still at some point you have to lay the burden on the consumer to make informed decisions, as many have noted in this thread, particularly when relevant information is readily available literally at the tips of your fingers, even mobile devices nowadays!Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT.Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference?
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Originally posted by: chizow
I think Dilbert is supposed to work for every corporation.Originally posted by: Idontcare
Dilbert works for Nvidia?
Just joking of course, but the cartoon is funny because it does kind of reflect reality.
Probably very few, you could just take a look at the % of people that upgrade video cards within a span of 6 months. Still at some point you have to lay the burden on the consumer to make informed decisions, as many have noted in this thread, particularly when relevant information is readily available literally at the tips of your fingers, even mobile devices nowadays!Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT.Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference?
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In AMD's case they were repositioning their products to the competition's naming convention, which has been common ever since AMD went off the MHz system to match Intel's offerings.Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
To a large extent I agree. It's up to potential buyers to research and spend their money wisely.
But you can also say that, kind of how AMD by some strange coincidence managed to name their new Phenoms as the 920 and 940... you know, the same names of the i7's that they are not meant to compete with, I think it's safe to say that at times companies deliberately try to mislead to make a buck.
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
As I said, IF the renaming of 9800GT to GTS240 or 9800GTX+ to GTS250 results in a ZERO price increase from existing 9800GT's and 9800GTX+'s, then all is cool. That will mean there is no evidence of trying to "fool" the consumer into spending more money on a GPU with a "new" designation, or "sounds" like a new product. If the price goes up however, then we have some serious problems, or at least I will. As Zap has stated, there is zero evidence to date that pricing on the new name products would be higher. Lets hope it stays that way.
Even if they did raise their prices, where's the foul?
It is capitalism, supply/demand equilibrium. Marketing's job is to increase demand so they push the equilibrium ASP higher. If that means glitzy packaging and snazzy product names then so be it. Its their job (marketing) to add value to their employer above and beyond the compensation footprint they leave on the company as employees.
We may feel like its motivated by malfeasance or unethical greed, but absolutely everything they do is motivated by the same mentality...so if we have an issue with the mentality of what drives publicly held businesses to increase revenue then we should have issues with them simply operating as for-profit businesses in general.
A bridge which I don't think anyone wants to cross.
Is it unethical for a company to charge $300 for a product that costs $5 to produce? What about $10, or $100, or $299? Who are we to judge what is unacceptable greed and what is acceptable greed.
If NV discovers that all it takes to increase revenue is to rename an existing product the 2600GTorgazmo+ and price it to sell for $10 more than the existing hardware equivalent then where is the fiducial responsibility to their shareholders if the decision makers opt to not raise revenue by increasing the price on the 2600GTorgazmo+?
The only unethical aspect to this as I see it is the consumer who has access to all the info they need to make an informed educated purchase but chooses not to exercise their rights to secure this info for themselves, and subsequently decides to decry malfeasance and unethical business practice against NV (or any other company operating for-profit) as a means to blame someone/anyone other than themselves for their being "duped" into buying less for more. edit: fixed analogy error (more for less versus less for more)
Is it unethical for a gas station on the corner of a street to charge $0.01 more per gallon than the gas station right across the street on the same street corner?
Or what about the same gas station company having two gas stations in the same town but one charges $0.01 more per gallon than the other gas station (two exxon's, same local franchise owner, for example)? Of course we don't see this as unethical, it is capitalism, consumers can find out online where the cheaper gas is in their town and they can go get it if they feel so inclined.
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
ATI: "40nm we can believe in"?![]()
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
ATI: "40nm we can believe in"?![]()
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
ATI: "40nm we can believe in"?![]()
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
ATI: "40nm we can believe in"?![]()
Makes more worried at what the actual cost will be when you get the bill :laugh:
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""
ATI: "40nm we can believe in"?![]()
Makes more worried at what the actual cost will be when you get the bill :laugh:
thats ok, we will just borrow it from china
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Well in that case sign me up for 4, and knowing VirtualLarry he'll take 8 and put 7 in his closet for later use :laugh:
(just kidding vlarry)
Originally posted by: videogames101
It makes me long for the days of unlocking pipes on 6800s.
Originally posted by: Denithor
Meh.
The GPU makers have been doing this for years, why stop now?
If anything it will make a little more sense as the names will correspond to different performance levels.
Of course, I suppose it kills the concept of a "mid-range" GT200 card at this point.
I believe there was a similar mod recently with the 9600 GSO to 8800 GTS. Pretty sweet upgrade there, but ya I remember those days with the 6800 unlocks. There's also Phenom II triple cores being unlocked to full-blown quads.Originally posted by: videogames101
It makes me long for the days of unlocking pipes on 6800s.
Heh, you might want to take a close look at that statement, R300 was rebranded and rebadged at least that many times with 9700pro, 9800pro, 9800xt, x800. And that's not counting all of the reduced versions like 9500, 9600, x600 etc. R200 was similarly rebranded numerous times.Originally posted by: poohbear
they have never renamed a 3 generation old card (8800gt) 3 times, what example do u have to backup ur statment?
Rofl good ones, here's a few for AMD:Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia - The Way it's Meant to be Renamed"
Originally posted at XS by Largon:
http://largon.wippiespace.com/recidia_final.svg
EDIT: had to post this (from asmodean at XS):
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers
"no GPU left behind""
Originally posted by: chizow
I'll be here all week. Feel free to cross-post those across any forums you frequent.![]()
Originally posted by: oopyseohs
Originally posted by: SunnyD
My thoughts are that you could have posted this in any of the old rebranding-related threads.
Interesting it took you 3.5 years for your second post though.
Sorry!! I did a search before posting but I couldn't find anything.
And yeah, I usually don't participate in discussions. What can I say- I'm non-confrontational!