NVIDIA's Recent Rebranding Practice

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SlowSpyder

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I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT. :) Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference? :p
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT. :) Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference? :p

And if they did feel like they noticed an improvement I'd say the experience of the upgrade process delivered exactly what they were seeking for their dollars.

Not everyone goes to Vegas thinking they are going to win money, but a fair majority of Vegas vacationers enjoy the experience and would do it again.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Dilbert works for Nvidia?

Just joking of course, but the cartoon is funny because it does kind of reflect reality.
I think Dilbert is supposed to work for every corporation. :)

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT. :) Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference? :p
Probably very few, you could just take a look at the % of people that upgrade video cards within a span of 6 months. Still at some point you have to lay the burden on the consumer to make informed decisions, as many have noted in this thread, particularly when relevant information is readily available literally at the tips of your fingers, even mobile devices nowadays!
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Dilbert works for Nvidia?

Just joking of course, but the cartoon is funny because it does kind of reflect reality.
I think Dilbert is supposed to work for every corporation. :)

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I wonder how many people bought a 9800GT to upgrade their 8800GT. :) Actually, the real question is how many people did that and swore they noticed a huge difference? :p
Probably very few, you could just take a look at the % of people that upgrade video cards within a span of 6 months. Still at some point you have to lay the burden on the consumer to make informed decisions, as many have noted in this thread, particularly when relevant information is readily available literally at the tips of your fingers, even mobile devices nowadays!

To a large extent I agree. It's up to potential buyers to research and spend their money wisely.

But you can also say that, kind of how AMD by some strange coincidence managed to name their new Phenoms as the 920 and 940... you know, the same names of the i7's that they are not meant to compete with, I think it's safe to say that at times companies deliberately try to mislead to make a buck.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
To a large extent I agree. It's up to potential buyers to research and spend their money wisely.

But you can also say that, kind of how AMD by some strange coincidence managed to name their new Phenoms as the 920 and 940... you know, the same names of the i7's that they are not meant to compete with, I think it's safe to say that at times companies deliberately try to mislead to make a buck.
In AMD's case they were repositioning their products to the competition's naming convention, which has been common ever since AMD went off the MHz system to match Intel's offerings.

That's clearly not the same situation as with Nvidia in this case, as they're merely repositioning their own products to fall in-line with their newer products. If anything, the new naming and rebrand is less confusing as the GTS 250 does fall in-line with the rest of the GTx 200 series in both price and performance.

Going back to the AMD example, this would be similar to AMD rebranding some of their older Phenom 8000 or 9000 X3 and X4 processors as Duron II 800 or 900 to bring them in-line with their new parts. Not saying they've done this, but if they did it'd be understandable and if anything, help bring clarity to the market rather than deception or confusion.
 

taltamir

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
As I said, IF the renaming of 9800GT to GTS240 or 9800GTX+ to GTS250 results in a ZERO price increase from existing 9800GT's and 9800GTX+'s, then all is cool. That will mean there is no evidence of trying to "fool" the consumer into spending more money on a GPU with a "new" designation, or "sounds" like a new product. If the price goes up however, then we have some serious problems, or at least I will. As Zap has stated, there is zero evidence to date that pricing on the new name products would be higher. Lets hope it stays that way.

Even if they did raise their prices, where's the foul?

It is capitalism, supply/demand equilibrium. Marketing's job is to increase demand so they push the equilibrium ASP higher. If that means glitzy packaging and snazzy product names then so be it. Its their job (marketing) to add value to their employer above and beyond the compensation footprint they leave on the company as employees.

We may feel like its motivated by malfeasance or unethical greed, but absolutely everything they do is motivated by the same mentality...so if we have an issue with the mentality of what drives publicly held businesses to increase revenue then we should have issues with them simply operating as for-profit businesses in general.

A bridge which I don't think anyone wants to cross.

Is it unethical for a company to charge $300 for a product that costs $5 to produce? What about $10, or $100, or $299? Who are we to judge what is unacceptable greed and what is acceptable greed.

If NV discovers that all it takes to increase revenue is to rename an existing product the 2600GTorgazmo+ and price it to sell for $10 more than the existing hardware equivalent then where is the fiducial responsibility to their shareholders if the decision makers opt to not raise revenue by increasing the price on the 2600GTorgazmo+?

The only unethical aspect to this as I see it is the consumer who has access to all the info they need to make an informed educated purchase but chooses not to exercise their rights to secure this info for themselves, and subsequently decides to decry malfeasance and unethical business practice against NV (or any other company operating for-profit) as a means to blame someone/anyone other than themselves for their being "duped" into buying less for more. edit: fixed analogy error (more for less versus less for more)

Is it unethical for a gas station on the corner of a street to charge $0.01 more per gallon than the gas station right across the street on the same street corner?

Or what about the same gas station company having two gas stations in the same town but one charges $0.01 more per gallon than the other gas station (two exxon's, same local franchise owner, for example)? Of course we don't see this as unethical, it is capitalism, consumers can find out online where the cheaper gas is in their town and they can go get it if they feel so inclined.

some people wish for the "much superior" (note: sarcasm) system called communism. Wishing to make a profit, or working for your OWN benefit instead of the benefit of complete strangers who will bitch about it later is evil and must be pointed out as such... on the internet... in a forum... by whining and using bad analogies.

:)
 

Leyawiin

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Everyone pees and moans about Nvidia's nonsensical naming conventions and then continues to pee and moan when they rebrand them into a convention that somewhat makes sense. The renamed cards are still manufactured, marketed and viable. If you (as a consumer) can't get your head out of your rear when spending $50 to $175 for a piece of hardware to understand what it is and what it does, oh well.

Basically, they can't win. Hopefully this will be the end of it and since ATI has followed suit with their HD 3000 series cards it should be a non-issue. But that's probably wishful thinking. I'm sure Charlie Demerjian will post another rant to get the knee-jerkers riled in hardware forums (which are about the only places it matter to anyone).
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: barfo
Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers""

ATI: "40nm we can believe in"? :p

Makes more worried at what the actual cost will be when you get the bill :laugh:

thats ok, we will just borrow it from china

Well in that case sign me up for 4, and knowing VirtualLarry he'll take 8 and put 7 in his closet for later use :laugh:

(just kidding vlarry)
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Well in that case sign me up for 4, and knowing VirtualLarry he'll take 8 and put 7 in his closet for later use :laugh:

(just kidding vlarry)

lol. I do tend to "collect" hardware. I did manage to break out one of the HD4850s to put into a computer I'm trying to sell on CL. It's tough to sell a decent gaming rig, when everyone else is selling $400 P4 2.8 rigs. (To be fair, someone put an XPS 420 up for $900, and my rig is better than that, and mine is made out of new parts, his is a year old. I'm asking $1000.)
 

poohbear

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Originally posted by: Denithor
Meh.

The GPU makers have been doing this for years, why stop now?

If anything it will make a little more sense as the names will correspond to different performance levels.

Of course, I suppose it kills the concept of a "mid-range" GT200 card at this point.

they have never renamed a 3 generation old card (8800gt) 3 times, what example do u have to backup ur statment?
 

taltamir

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if by rename you mean "modify the architecture / die shrink / increase attributes"... then you are still wrong, it has been done before.

There isn't too much nvidia COULD do to improve their DX10 design... AMD had a vastly inferior SP design at first, and they solved the issue with the HD4xxx series and now it is on par with nvidia for processing per square transistor.
They are cutting prices, improving process tech, and increasing overall performance.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: videogames101
It makes me long for the days of unlocking pipes on 6800s.
I believe there was a similar mod recently with the 9600 GSO to 8800 GTS. Pretty sweet upgrade there, but ya I remember those days with the 6800 unlocks. There's also Phenom II triple cores being unlocked to full-blown quads.

Originally posted by: poohbear
they have never renamed a 3 generation old card (8800gt) 3 times, what example do u have to backup ur statment?
Heh, you might want to take a close look at that statement, R300 was rebranded and rebadged at least that many times with 9700pro, 9800pro, 9800xt, x800. And that's not counting all of the reduced versions like 9500, 9600, x600 etc. R200 was similarly rebranded numerous times.

Its expected though, when you have a winning part it doesn't make any sense to reinvent it just for the sake of reinventing it, especially if its still competitive to both your parts and the competition. I'm not sure what people expect, major breakthroughs in design and architecture like unified shaders only come along every few years, after that its just refining and expanding on those designs.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: thilan29
"nVidia - The Way it's Meant to be Renamed"

Originally posted at XS by Largon:

http://largon.wippiespace.com/recidia_final.svg

:D

EDIT: had to post this (from asmodean at XS):

"nVidia: Bush of hardware makers

"no GPU left behind
""
Rofl good ones, here's a few for AMD:

RV770 - Mission Accomplished

Red is the new black!

I'll be here all week. Feel free to cross-post those across any forums you frequent. ;)
 

taltamir

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you know those stupid annoying and downright disgusting stickers they have on cards? the ones with a skimply dressed girl or a dog or something or another... same thing as the name. For idiots who care about the name or the picture on the sticker, they put it there. For those who don't, well, enjoy your better deals and prices and stop worrying about them "Exploiting" those poor fellows who actually CARE about the name and sticker. This is willful exploitation, people pay a lot for money for brand names, and also for model names apparently.
 

HunterDT

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Originally posted by: oopyseohs
Originally posted by: SunnyD
My thoughts are that you could have posted this in any of the old rebranding-related threads.

Interesting it took you 3.5 years for your second post though.

Sorry!! I did a search before posting but I couldn't find anything.

And yeah, I usually don't participate in discussions. What can I say- I'm non-confrontational!

LOL, I decided to join up here last week, but I remembered waaaaaay back that I already joined. I remembered my user name and everything. Check out my Join Date! haha
 

kmmatney

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I don't see anything too out of the ordinary with this round of rebadging. The new PCB design looks pretty good (especially if it makes it way to the 512MB cards) and the prices are very attractive. This isn't too far off of the ATI9100 = ATI8500LE (or something like that). All that matters is that its a pretty decent card for the money, although the HD4859 is probably a better deal (and the latest drivers seem very good - at least for my card)