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the Chase

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Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: n7
ROFL wtf?

When did i become an ATi fanboi :confused: ????

If you do a quick search, you'll see me recommending nVidia cards alot of times, even on Rage3D...

The only reason i've had more ATi cards than nVIdia's is that they have a staff purchase program thru my werk, & nVidia doesn't...

No, no, no.. when you prefer an ati card for any reason over an nv card, that makes you a ati fanboy. Also when the nv trolls are having a field day and you spoil it by arguing, that also makes you an ati fanboy.


LOL hope you guys aren't angry about my little list. Like I said it's just something off the top of my head from what I observed. I probably fall more into the ATi fan list as well.

Well, I'm not really directing it at you. But lets just say I have reasons for prefering ati, and it's not because I just like red better than green. (Also ati does not give me free stuff)

LOL- you should be angry!!! He mispelled your name!!!:Q:D
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Killrose
I would love to see the NDA "mission statement" on this along with the requirements that go along with the "free hardware". Binding is binding and anything NDA is binding, i.e., a contractual like agreement.

Alot of you don't see any harm in this. You are blind and don't see the real affects it can have and has had on people who contribute to a Forum as a "respected" or "valued judgment" member. They (AEG and the like) are using this person(s) position to sway others ideas to buy a specific manufactures product, and I guess as we have seen, spread FUD.

That is what they (AEG and the lot) were hired to accomplish by the manufacture, but at a distance so that the manufacture could keep clean of any real PR dissasters should they occur. Manufactures have their own in house PR machines, they are not being used directly for this reason.

Welcome to the Corporate world baby!!

nVidia is moving their viral marketing back to "in house" . . . they have been advertising for a "Director of Viral Marketing" . . .

that way there is NO trail back to the company - if they are smart [like thay havent been in letting this leak[
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: n7
ROFL wtf?

When did i become an ATi fanboi :confused: ????

If you do a quick search, you'll see me recommending nVidia cards alot of times, even on Rage3D...

The only reason i've had more ATi cards than nVIdia's is that they have a staff purchase program thru my werk, & nVidia doesn't...

No, no, no.. when you prefer an ati card for any reason over an nv card, that makes you a ati fanboy. Also when the nv trolls are having a field day and you spoil it by arguing, that also makes you an ati fanboy.


LOL hope you guys aren't angry about my little list. Like I said it's just something off the top of my head from what I observed. I probably fall more into the ATi fan list as well.

Well, I'm not really directing it at you. But lets just say I have reasons for prefering ati, and it's not because I just like red better than green. (Also ati does not give me free stuff)

LOL- you should be angry!!! He mispelled your name!!!:Q:D

Hmmm... so technically, I'm not on the list :p
 

the Chase

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Thnx- It would probably be better if I wasn't so cheap and bought a real motherboard..mmmm-DFI RD580..
 

GOREGRINDER

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oh come on,... anyone who sits here and says its soooo wrong and they should be burned at the stake and how dare they,... you know what you would say if they came to you and asked you?,..."allright" :p,... and then do a little dance over all the cool sh!t yoru about to get...lol
 

Greenman

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Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

Did you even read the posts above your's? The issue we have here is ethical. It's not about us thinking were going to be talked into a bad purchase, it's about trust. We'd all like to think were here to help each other out, now we know thats not always true. There are people on this forum handing out "friendly" advice for profit. I don't mind that at all, as long as we all know who they are.
 

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Originally posted by: n7
ROFL wtf?

When did i become an ATi fanboi :confused: ????

If you do a quick search, you'll see me recommending nVidia cards alot of times, even on Rage3D...

The only reason i've had more ATi cards than nVIdia's is that they have a staff purchase program thru my werk, & nVidia doesn't...
Maybe he meant nts or apoppin?

Although I noticed 5150 has a huge post count over at Rage3d, what a shill ;)

I think some people take this video card stuff way too seriously. I'm sure both compaines do it. I'm sure Intel, AMD, Apple and others have a marketing company that does similar stuff.

 

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Too bad I own products from both companies, not enough of a fanboy to only buy ATi I guess. :p

 

Witchfire

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Originally posted by: nts
Too bad I own products from both companies, not enough of a fanboy to only buy ATi I guess. :p

Ditto.. I've had enough different Green & Red cards over the last few years that I could decorate my walls in a Christmas checkerboard motif with them.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
oh come on,... anyone who sits here and says its soooo wrong and they should be burned at the stake and how dare they,... you know what you would say if they came to you and asked you?,..."allright" :p,... and then do a little dance over all the cool sh!t yoru about to get...lol
sure

unethical people ;)

evidently Pete turned them down . . . me - i'd want to see the NDA :p

and 'yes', Wreckage, M$ also uses viral marketing.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: nts
Too bad I own products from both companies, not enough of a fanboy to only buy ATi I guess. :p

My laptop has an ATI chip, so I guess that rules me out. I have owned about 6 ATI GPU's over the last decade or so.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: nts
Too bad I own products from both companies, not enough of a fanboy to only buy ATi I guess. :p

My laptop has an ATI chip, so I guess that rules me out. I have owned about 6 ATI GPU's over the last decade or so.

actually, your case is "special"

:D

you aren't "ruled out" . . . NO one could mistake what company's Altar you worship at.

:laugh:

since we're all 'coming out' . . .

i had a GeForce256
:Q
 

5150Joker

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As far as nV/ATi go I had: TNT, TNT2, Geforce 1, Geforce 3, Geforce 4 (Ti4400 and Ti4600), Radeon 9700, Radeon 9800, 6800 GT (returned it though), X800XT PE, 7800 GTX and now X1900 XTX.

Hmm 7 nV cards and 4 ATi cards, I must be an nV fanboi!
 

Matt2

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I dont have a problem with it.

Like many have said before, people will make their own decisions according to their own research and needs.
 

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I believe there is a ... delicate balance of information on these boards. Now obviously there is bipartisanship here. Unlike congress, it is most welcome here and other forums because it allows information to be passed down. Even in the most bias and uninformative of all posts made by members here earns nothing more than more skepticism or cynical thinking by the "uninformed" member because they always have the advantage of a second opinion. I can't speak for other forums however.

Besides, If there is anyone who should be hanged for viral marketing...it is Intel and their step-sister company, Dell.
 

Pete

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Guys, I REALLY doubt there are any AEG members on these forums, just fanboys. I think an AEG sponsored person would be much more effective at a place that doesn't have too many enthusiasts roaming around. Places where most of the people are clueless to begin with and this person jumps in to give some advice about which card to get and why. They might have a few on enthusiast forums as well but I doubt you'd notice them since they would try to seem neutral while still presenting the party line.
Well, B3D's forums probably still have a more educated base, or at least core group, than many forums. If they approached me there (and I'm seriously starting to regret not taking them up on it, what with the GTXs and now 3007s being bandied about :p), surely there are similar targets elsewhere. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't approach me here. (And they weren't the only ones to approach me there.)

Well, actually, I think it's fairly obvious why: quite a few people have voiced the opinion that Dave is biased toward ATI. B3D also seems to draw more reviewers than the other forums I visit (all two of 'em), so it may be more influential in that sense.

Fans are more enthusiastic than the typical buyer. It may be easier to go after the few fans--who have shown themselves capable of brand favoritism--than to go after the many neutrals.

(I really doubt Chal or Demo are AEG participants. If they are, they don't post in a manner I'd expect, and they're just too knowledgable. Then again, maybe I'm just too gullible.)

Edit: Just to be clear, I didn't turn down AEG's offer out of the pure, grey neutrality of my very soul. I just didn't even respond b/c I thought it was spam, mainly b/c it wasn't the first PM of its kind I'd received. So it's not like I read the NDA and sagely declined with a knowing, wistful shake of my head for simpler times. I never had the chance to turn down a 30" LCD! :D

Seriously, though, even if I knew free stuff wouldn't sway me, if they do use an NDA that forbids you from even acknowledging involvement, I'd pass. We're talking marketing gaming cards, not matters of national security.

It is a bit depressing to see ppl say it's a caveat emptor world out there. Tho I think ppl who make a "big" (relative to their budget) purchase ought to do some research first, the issue is that the research they do in forums like these may be tainted. And we're not even sure it is! It's the *may be* part that's the key, the supposed NDA, that's casting a pall over our niche of the viral marketing universe. What's being suggested is just not cool. I wouldn't do it to someone else, and I wouldn't want someone else to do it to me--even if I expect it.

No idea, munky. I didn't get a company name or #, it was a much more casual invite to a "focus group."
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: Pete
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Guys, I REALLY doubt there are any AEG members on these forums, just fanboys. I think an AEG sponsored person would be much more effective at a place that doesn't have too many enthusiasts roaming around. Places where most of the people are clueless to begin with and this person jumps in to give some advice about which card to get and why. They might have a few on enthusiast forums as well but I doubt you'd notice them since they would try to seem neutral while still presenting the party line.
Well, B3D's forums probably still have a more educated base, or at least core group, than many forums. If they approached me there (and I'm seriously starting to regret not taking them up on it, what with the GTXs and now 3007s being bandied about), surely there are similar targets elsewhere. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't approach me here. (And they weren't the only ones to approach me there.)

Well, actually, I think it's fairly obvious why: quite a few people have voiced the opinion that Dave is biased toward ATI. B3D also seems to draw more reviewers than the other forums I visit (all two of 'em), so it may be more influential in that sense.

Fans are more enthusiastic than the typical buyer. It may be easier to go after the few fans--who have shown themselves capable of brand favoritism--than to go after the many neutrals.

(I really doubt Chal or Demo are AEG participants. If they are, they don't post in a manner I'd expect, and they're just too knowledgable. Then again, maybe I'm just too gullible.)

Interesting... so who else approached you if you dont mind telling?
 

Conky

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Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

Did you even read the posts above your's? The issue we have here is ethical. It's not about us thinking were going to be talked into a bad purchase, it's about trust. We'd all like to think were here to help each other out, now we know thats not always true. There are people on this forum handing out "friendly" advice for profit. I don't mind that at all, as long as we all know who they are.

Yep, it's the ethics involved that make this so questionable.

A fanboy is one thing but one who is compensated (be it cash, hardware, or whatever) is an employee of that hardware company. These employees make an enthusiast's discussion forum into a more dishonest place... one that truly knowledgable enthusiasts will start to avoid because they don't want to play the games.

It's simply a dishonest practice on the part of the hardware companies to drop these sales people into our discussions. Business is business, yes, but I believe they could use a more honest approach and obtain the same sales results.

There are several marketing agents here and it's fairly easy to spot them if you've been around on video forums for a while. There is little use in naming the agents because even when named they work together to call you a fan of another brand or call you childish or whatever. More poison in the forum we could live without.

I do think it's good that we acknowledge their existence because then people who are new to the game know to watch out for these snakes. I would respect a company a lot more if they made it a policy to not engage in this deceitful practice. Although maybe my tune might change if they shipped me a new 30" LCD, lol.
 

RobertR1

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Programs such as this are a cancer to the online community. No "if" "and" or "but" about it.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Guys, I REALLY doubt there are any AEG members on these forums, just fanboys. I think an AEG sponsored person would be much more effective at a place that doesn't have too many enthusiasts roaming around. Places where most of the people are clueless to begin with and this person jumps in to give some advice about which card to get and why. They might have a few on enthusiast forums as well but I doubt you'd notice them since they would try to seem neutral while still presenting the party line.

As a major Computer Hardware site, I doubt very highly that there are none here.
 

Kalessian

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Marketing sucks.

Just a really quick thought...

Is there a way to modify the EULA so anyone affiliated with marketing must admit to it?

Oh, and I'm glad I made one of the lists over crazydingo and Hans. Someone will just have to send me a x1900xtx to convert me.
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

Did you even read the posts above your's? The issue we have here is ethical. It's not about us thinking were going to be talked into a bad purchase, it's about trust. We'd all like to think were here to help each other out, now we know thats not always true. There are people on this forum handing out "friendly" advice for profit. I don't mind that at all, as long as we all know who they are.

Yep, it's the ethics involved that make this so questionable.

A fanboy is one thing but one who is compensated (be it cash, hardware, or whatever) is an employee of that hardware company. These employees make an enthusiast's discussion forum into a more dishonest place... one that truly knowledgable enthusiasts will start to avoid because they don't want to play the games.

It's simply a dishonest practice on the part of the hardware companies to drop these sales people into our discussions. Business is business, yes, but I believe they could use a more honest approach and obtain the same sales results.

There are several marketing agents here and it's fairly easy to spot them if you've been around on video forums for a while. There is little use in naming the agents because even when named they work together to call you a fan of another brand or call you childish or whatever. More poison in the forum we could live without.

I do think it's good that we acknowledge their existence because then people who are new to the game know to watch out for these snakes. I would respect a company a lot more if they made it a policy to not engage in this deceitful practice. Although maybe my tune might change if they shipped me a new 30" LCD, lol.

But just about every company is involved in this kind of marketing in the first place. Reviewers including AT recieve hardware from all types of companies for free, are they shills or employees. Is it wrong to accept a the new 5 blade razor from the SB commercial, and after that is it wrong to recommend it. As for the LCDs who knows if that is actually the case, all we really know about Nvidia here is that instead of handling this type off marketing internally like most companies, they hired another company to handle it, and that company was stupid enough to advertise that they did this work for Nvidia.

I know the products are more expensive then a disposable razor, and that is why they probably go for regular posters (who doesn't come off as an idiot). Who wants to start sending $500 video cards to a random person who doesn't know how to install it, doesn't interact with other techs, or as they probably see it, the misinformed. With Schick your out $5 if a person doesn't use it and recommend it, with Nvidia or ATI your out $500.

The fact is I have seen many a forum, including and most damning example of forum mistreatment before by companies. One of the best examples was a Sport forum ( The forum for an NFL teams Officail website) by Sirius, they plagued he forum for months before they were banned and were a big reason for the board to get shutdown. With as much war going on here nothing is even close to what happened there. So before you yell and scream about how bad this forum has gotten, trust me it can get much worse.

And remember just because you don't see damning proof that another company does this think twice. AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ATI, BFG, OCZ, EVGA, and just about any other North American tech company does the same. The only that probably doesn't is Apple, their users a mostly rabid anyways, and why give them a overpriced notebook when they were going to buy it and talk it up anyways.
 

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