Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[orangat]

If the 'gift' was not disclosed by the user who is making the review I'd be suspicious.

It would create a sense of obligation to hype up a product.

Edit:

Oh ho ho ho ho! I just read the link in the OP that trusted members were recruited and had to sign an NDA about the programs existance and given nice 'gifts' and had to make up 50 identities with fake histories and usernames and a minimum posting count... Oh the trickinations.

 

[schtuga]

Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

it is unethical[period]

and nVidia's viral marketing crap has affected this board.

and yes, rise4310, we DO know what nVidia does.

business is unethical.....its how you get ahead of your competitors. its not like sport where its (hopefuly) natural talent vs natural talent....in business if you see the opertunity to make more money you bloody well take it, ethical or not.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

it is unethical[period]

and nVidia's viral marketing crap has affected this board.

and yes, rise4310, we DO know what nVidia does.

business is unethical.....its how you get ahead of your competitors. its not like sport where its (hopefuly) natural talent vs natural talent....in business if you see the opertunity to make more money you bloody well take it, ethical or not.

:thumbsup: Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
so what?,.. are you guys so insecure about your own mentality that you think things of this nature may "sway" you into throwing down money for something you didnt even want in the first place?,.. well,... if thats the case,.. unplug your internet,.. disconnect your tv ,burn your radios and stab out your eyes when you leave the house :roll:

it is unethical[period]

and nVidia's viral marketing crap has affected this board.

and yes, rise4310, we DO know what nVidia does.

business is unethical.....its how you get ahead of your competitors. its not like sport where its (hopefuly) natural talent vs natural talent....in business if you see the opertunity to make more money you bloody well take it, ethical or not.

that is just . . . so wrong
:thumbsdown:

and Sport IS Big Business

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilian I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional study of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilians I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional sudy of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

So how is that 3007 then?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilian I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional study of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

in this case, we have the Sheep Dogs feeding on the flock . . .

there really is no excuse for lack of ethics . . . maybe i should try and get ATi to fix my 9800xt - for free.
[all i have to do is stick the stock cooler back on and RMA it]

:disgust:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
So how is that 3007 then?

That would be sweet. I'm currently using a 17" and limited to 12x10. My wifey is a very disciplined investor with a strong sense of fiscal prudence, and thus the toys others get to play with, are denied me.....For now


I have hardware closed beta-tested for nV under NDA, but that is the extent of my relationship with them. Much like Cyrano DeBergerac, I may not stand high, but I stand alone! :beer: *hope the reference isn't too obscure. It speaks to the idea of patronage*

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilian I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional study of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

in this case, we have the Sheep Dogs feeding on the flock . . .

there really is no excuse for lack of ethics . . . maybe i should try and get ATi to fix my 9800xt - for free.
[all i have to do is stick the stock cooler back on and RMA it]

:disgust:

For a man of your years to not separate the conscience of an individual, from the lack of one corporations possess, baffles me my friend. If you feel their lack of conscience warrants your lack of one, that is an individual's prerogative. It doesn't make it right, but some as yourself wish to maintain the moral highground, others do not. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, and ATI and most every other corp. has engaged in numerous immoral, unethical, or even nefarious schemes themselves, so there is no real moral highground among wolves IMO.

in this case, we have the Sheep Dogs feeding on the flock . . .

Disagree, they are wolves in sheepdog's clothing. The sheeple that can't see that, well, wolves gotta eat too.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilian I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional study of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

Everyonce in awhile though, the Wolf takes a bullet

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Business=Warfare, plain&simple. Propaganda is an important weapon, how effective it is depends strongly on the tactics used.

Since we're the poor innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire, i think you should be slighlty more annoyed with it all.

I'm 39 and what you might term a seasoned veteran, not a innocent civilian I also live by a philosophy in which cynicism, in moderation, has proven healthy, along with a fascination and occassional study of strategy. I have discovered there is little I can effectively do to help sheeple, and that the wolf will invariably feed on such a large flock, sheep dog or not. </my life's experience>

in this case, we have the Sheep Dogs feeding on the flock . . .

there really is no excuse for lack of ethics . . . maybe i should try and get ATi to fix my 9800xt - for free.
[all i have to do is stick the stock cooler back on and RMA it]

:disgust:

For a man of your years to not separate the conscience of an individual, from the lack of one corporations possess, baffles me my friend. If you feel their lack of conscience warrants your lack of one, that is an individual's perogative. It doesn't make it right, but some as yourself wish to maintain the moral highground, others do not. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, and ATI and most every other corp. has engaged in numerous immoral, unethical, or even nafarious schemes themselves, so there is no real moral highground among wolves IMO.

in this case, we have the Sheep Dogs feeding on the flock . . .

Disagree, they are wolves in sheepdog's clothing. The sheeple that can't see that, well, wolves gotta eat too.

so does the Sheep Dog

it's easy to justify anything

by the same principle, IF i did decide to do anything personally unethical, it would be none of your business - just as you are saying what nVidia does is none of ours.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Everyonce in awhile though, the Wolf takes a bullet

That's 1 reason why they run in packs my friend

 

[Creig]

Hardware company enthusiast = Person who chooses one company over another for personal/performance reason.

Hardware company employee = Person who is given discounted or free hardware as a reward for consistently promoting one company over all others.

employee

em·ploy·ee also em·ploy·e
Pronunciation Key (m-ploi, m-, mploi-)


A person who works for another in return for financial or other compensation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=employee



By accepting free/discounted hardware, a person is being paid for promoting that company's products. And within these forums, should that person give purchasing advice to others, they would be guilty of breaking the AnandTech Terms of Service regarding paid advertisers.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: SKoprowski
Where's Rollo .........

and all his alter-identities that say 'Rollo for video forum mod'

pssh no one with any sense would say something so crazy!!!!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin


so does the Sheep Dog

it's easy to justify anything

It is reality. Acknowledgement of a fact is not justification. Cry foul all you like, you may as well beat your head against a wall, it will change nothing. They will continue to use these tactics of propaganda, they will succeed with some, and they will come up with an even more insidious method. The way you are going on about this I am beginning to think you should supplant Raplh Nader For you are the true consumer advocate evidently

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin


so does the Sheep Dog

it's easy to justify anything

It is reality. Acknowledgement of a fact is not justification. Cry foul all you like, you may as well beat your head against a wall, it will change nothing. They will continue to use these tactics of propaganda, they will succeed with some, and they will come up with an even more insidious method. The way you are going on about this I am beginning to think you should supplant Raplh Nader For you are the true consumer advocate evidently

then the REALITY of it - according to you - is that i should take the moral high ground with a company that is unethical.

Why?

i mean we are talking about money - my money.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Creig
Hardware company enthusiast = Person who chooses one company over another for personal/performance reason.

Hardware company employee = Person who is given discounted or free hardware as a reward for consistently promoting one company over all others.

employee

em·ploy·ee also em·ploy·e
Pronunciation Key (m-ploi, m-, mploi-)


A person who works for another in return for financial or other compensation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=employee



By accepting free/discounted hardware, a person is being paid for promoting that company's products. And within these forums, should that person give purchasing advice to others, they would be guilty of breaking the AnandTech Terms of Service regarding paid advertisers.

f it was free then they are not a paid employee

Investopedia Commentary

If you receive a gift, you aren't required to report it as income.

to clarify that remark, unless you could prove they were compensated for a specific purpose, gonna be nigh impossible based on more than very circumstantial evidence, you simply couldn't prove they are recieving compensation for their services. I dare think AT isn't going to pay their attourneys to prove someone is a shill for AEG, but I concede your point has a validity to it.

Furthermore, if they paid for the item, discounted or not, they again are not a paid employee.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin


so does the Sheep Dog

it's easy to justify anything

It is reality. Acknowledgement of a fact is not justification. Cry foul all you like, you may as well beat your head against a wall, it will change nothing. They will continue to use these tactics of propaganda, they will succeed with some, and they will come up with an even more insidious method. The way you are going on about this I am beginning to think you should supplant Raplh Nader For you are the true consumer advocate evidently

then the REALITY of it - according to you - is that i should take the moral high ground with a company that is unethical.

Why?

i mean we are talking about money - my money.

Again, find me an ethical corporation. IMO they are as rare as unicorns.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Creig
Hardware company enthusiast = Person who chooses one company over another for personal/performance reason.

Hardware company employee = Person who is given discounted or free hardware as a reward for consistently promoting one company over all others.

employee

em·ploy·ee also em·ploy·e
Pronunciation Key (m-ploi, m-, mploi-)


A person who works for another in return for financial or other compensation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=employee



By accepting free/discounted hardware, a person is being paid for promoting that company's products. And within these forums, should that person give purchasing advice to others, they would be guilty of breaking the AnandTech Terms of Service regarding paid advertisers.

Well damn, I'm screwed then. ATi. nVIDIA, Intel, AMD. S3, XGI, Matrox, D-Link, LinkSys, Microsoft...all of them I receive hardware from. Guess I should leave, then (and start demanding paychecks, since I'm an 'employee' for receiving hardware from them).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Well damn, I'm screwed then. ATi. nVIDIA, Intel, AMD. S3, XGI, Matrox, D-Link, LinkSys, Microsoft...all of them I receive hardware from. Guess I should leave, then (and start demanding paychecks, since I'm an 'employee' for receiving hardware from them).

Is there a particular title for your relationship with these corps that you possess? I am curious if there is one to define the relationship, TIA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin


so does the Sheep Dog

it's easy to justify anything

It is reality. Acknowledgement of a fact is not justification. Cry foul all you like, you may as well beat your head against a wall, it will change nothing. They will continue to use these tactics of propaganda, they will succeed with some, and they will come up with an even more insidious method. The way you are going on about this I am beginning to think you should supplant Raplh Nader For you are the true consumer advocate evidently

then the REALITY of it - according to you - is that i should take the moral high ground with a company that is unethical.

Why?

i mean we are talking about money - my money.

Again, find me an ethical corporation. IMO they are as rare as unicorns.

so 'forget ethics' ?

what's good for them should be good for me - also

 

[Ronin]

It's called DevRel.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin

by the same principle, IF i did decide to do anything personally unethical, it would be none of your business - just as you are saying what nVidia does is none of ours.

Where did I say or suggest it was none of your business? If I implied that I certainly did not intend to, I am pointing out that it is naive to not expect all corporations to use any "dirty tactic" they can think up to get your money. So, I am puzzled why some here are making this into a nV is the debil issue? You have a decided leaning towards ATI yourself, that makes your vociferous denunciation suspect to some, don't you think?

Originally posted by: Ronin
It's called DevRel.

Thanks, always good to learn :beer:

Originally posted by: apoppin


so 'forget ethics' ?

what's good for them should be good for me - also

As I stated, that is your prerogative. I choose to remain true to my own principles, others be damned. They will not dictate to me how I will behave by either their actions or inactions.